— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “adkramoo”
Funny scary story here, leads to a question. When we summited on our first day on the peak, a day in May, we looked to the west to a sickly colored sky of yellow/orange mixed with gray clouds. No sound of thunder but had that look, if you know what I mean. Off on the traverse we went. 2 hours later the sound of thunder did start to echo in the distance. The flat top of Twin Brother had either had a fire or…..half the trees up there had been hit by lightening. Bad place to be in a storm, any way you looked at it. My partner this day, the Vladman (who has climbed the Diamond on Long’s Peak twice in the last month-way to go!) is a way excellent climber and is quite good scrambling down too. We were hauling when we got to the spot mentioned above. I was over it in a flash, passing the word back that it was reasonable series of moves and lets get the you know what, out of here! He didn’t like the move and went to setting the pieces for the rap he wanted. This is one of two times I ran down something that stopped him, in a ton of days together. I try and convince him that it is in our best interest for him to do so at this time too. BOOM! out of nowhere, what was far away was on top of us. Now I love the guy, but standing and waiting for him seemed a futile gesture. I pointed off to the south side of the ridge ahead and said “I’m going down over there! HURRY UP,PLEASE!! And so I did. Off the ridge, some trees above etc, a better spot than most around me, but not exactly home sweet home. I move back and forth, trying to stay warm in the huge wind that has kicked up. Time is standing still and I am 5 minutes below the Vladman. I hear him crying out. Apparently he has not digested my directions. I scramble up to him and he is livid with rage. Well, I am none to pleased with him either. He starts to shout at me and I tell him where he can put that. BOOM! BOOM! and the skies let loose a torrent. The wind blows it sideways. It has sleet in it. Stings. BOOM! BOOM! We drop to our knees and elbows on the ground, on a slab of rock. He has told me that this is the way to do it. On rock, on these 4 points, with big trees near, but not to near and off the ridge. Like the lightning will pass through you without hurting you? We hang out in the maelstrom, in this position just screaming vemon at each other. One of the sickest, yet comic scenes I can ever recall playing a part in. Finally the worst of the storm passes. 25 minutes of getting pelted? Shivering, we continue our argument down the hill. I was so mad I didn’t photogragh all the wonderful waterfalls coming down around us. Anyway, we are still friends… What I want to know is…..Is there a proper position to get into when trapped in an electrical storm, like we were…aside from a far away place ;-) Ram
~tanya
Only when a man won’t do it for me
I far more enjoyable to let the men lead and just watch and enjoy! (Telling me I am climbing some mountain today in addition to doing a canyon would have been nice though) ;p
Why did’nt anyone tell me Mountain of the Sun and Employee Canyon are not exactly the same thing. — oh my aching toes!
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “adkramoo” wrote:
> Oh, and just to let you know that you don’t fool me…..Not many folks > I know that own a whole town of businesses. And how many in the past? > How many employees? Smearing honey on the carrot looks like it worked > just fine for you, but your no stranger to leading. 😉
~tanya
Well RAM…. you need to learn to control your women ;p
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “adkramoo” wrote:
> Whoa indeed!! Not the ones I hang out with!! They raise um different > around here. NOT Moe, NOT Roy, NOT Denise, who are on a 4 day > overnight with us, in a little over a week from now. An definitely NOT > Mountain Women. who comes in for the trips last 4 days. And most of > all, NOT little Amy, who knows how everything SHOULD be. No > assertiveness training needed! 😉 > R
brcrcwr
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “penmartens” wrote: > Also, running creates a wake of mobilized atoms behind you increasing > the attraction of lightning. > Penny
“Mobilized atoms”? Even in a state of mortal terror I doubt I could run fast enough to ionize any significant number of air molecules. How does this work?
Bruce
adkramoo
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “adkramoo” wrote: And most of > all, NOT little Amy, who knows how everything SHOULD be. No > assertiveness training needed! 😉 > R
Oh, and just to let you know that you don’t fool me…..Not many folks I know that own a whole town of businesses. And how many in the past? How many employees? Smearing honey on the carrot looks like it worked just fine for you, but your no stranger to leading. 😉
adkramoo
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “~tanya” wrote: > You need a female hiking partner. We just give in and assume you are right. (mostly) ;p
Whoa indeed!! Not the ones I hang out with!! They raise um different around here. NOT Moe, NOT Roy, NOT Denise, who are on a 4 day overnight with us, in a little over a week from now. An definitely NOT Mountain Women. who comes in for the trips last 4 days. And most of all, NOT little Amy, who knows how everything SHOULD be. No assertiveness training needed! 😉 R
~tanya
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “adkramoo” wrote: > Funny scary story here, leads to a question. When we summited on our > first day on the peak, a day in May, we looked to the west to a sickly > colored sky of yellow/orange mixed with gray clouds. No sound of > thunder but had that look, if you know what I mean. Off on the > traverse we went. 2 hours later the sound of thunder did start to echo > in the distance. The flat top of Twin Brother had either had a fire > or…..half the trees up there had been hit by lightening. Bad place > to be in a storm, any way you looked at it. My partner this day, the > Vladman (who has climbed the Diamond on Long’s Peak twice in the last > month-way to go!) is a way excellent climber and is quite good > scrambling down too. We were hauling when we got to the spot mentioned > above. I was over it in a flash, passing the word back that it was > reasonable series of moves and lets get the you know what, out of > here! He didn’t like the move and went to setting the pieces for the > rap he wanted. This is one of two times I ran down something that > stopped him, in a ton of days together. I try and convince him that it > is in our best interest for him to do so at this time too. BOOM! out > of nowhere, what was far away was on top of us. Now I love the guy, > but standing and waiting for him seemed a futile gesture.
~smiles~ Sounds like me and Bo
I pointed > off to the south side of the ridge ahead and said “I’m going down over > there! HURRY UP,PLEASE!!
This really sounds like me and Bo !
And so I did. Off the ridge, some trees above > etc, a better spot than most around me, but not exactly home sweet > home. I move back and forth, trying to stay warm in the huge wind that > has kicked up. Time is standing still and I am 5 minutes below the > Vladman. I hear him crying out. Apparently he has not digested my > directions. I scramble up to him and he is livid with rage. Well, I am > none to pleased with him either.
I just always give in and go… but I am scared!!!!
He starts to shout at me and I tell > him where he can put that. BOOM! BOOM! and the skies let loose a > torrent. The wind blows it sideways. It has sleet in it. Stings. BOOM! > BOOM! We drop to our knees and elbows on the ground, on a slab of > rock. He has told me that this is the way to do it. On rock, on these > 4 points, with big trees near, but not to near and off the ridge. Like > the lightning will pass through you without hurting you?
You need a female hiking partner. We just give in and assume you are right. (mostly) ;p
We hang out > in the maelstrom, in this position just screaming vemon at each other. > One of the sickest, yet comic scenes I can ever recall playing a part > in. Finally the worst of the storm passes. 25 minutes of getting > pelted? Shivering, we continue our argument down the hill. I was so > mad —
I didn’t photogragh all the wonderful waterfalls coming down > around us.
Whoa!!!!! Nothing should stop photography!!!!
Anyway, we are still friends… > What I want to know is…..Is there a proper position to get into when > trapped in an electrical storm, like we were…aside from a far away > place 😉
Depends on who you ask
> Ram
adkramoo
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “penmartens” wrote: >de. > Now that I have typed all this, John Hart should be anwering this > question. John? > Penny
Wow, that is a lot of cool information. Thanx. Mr. Hart is at the rendezvous, I believe. We will have to wait.
penmartens
Ram I forgot to say if you are close enough to yell at each other you are probably too close. Spread out, decreasing the chance of losing the entire party. You can cuss at each other later. Good story. I collect these particular ones.
penmartens
I consider myself somewhat of an expert (on lightning), only because experience makes you an expert. . . eventually. . . unless it kills you first. You definitely want to keep the current away from your heart. Being on all fours increases the chance of lightening running through the lenghth of your body. Remember your body is mostly water and it is easier for electricity to run through water than air or rock. We teach to squat with something insulating under your feet like a pack. Rest your elbows on your knees with hands pointed up. Tuck your head between arms. The thought is that if lightning strikes it will travel through your hands down arms to knees and feet and out through the ground bypassing heart and vital organs. Remember to try CPR if someone is ‘dead’ after a strike. There is a good chance of reviving. The heart may need only a jump start to get on track again. It is about the only time I would apply CPR in a far away place. Also, know that being in a severe storm without actually taking a hit can effect you body. Usually, in one of two ways. One, electricity can suck out (burn?) minerals and other esentials, preventing muscles from firing correctly. Two, electricity can alter brain waves making the injured mentally unstable and perhaps combative. Also, running creates a wake of mobilized atoms behind you increasing the attraction of lightning. Do not hide from lightning (under things). It is fluid and bends. Being under a small overhang doesn’t make you safe. My theory: Being on the leeward side of a peak, ridge, etc. is safer than on the storm side. Now that I have typed all this, John Hart should be anwering this question. John? Penny