Appears that there was another unfortunate accident last weekend. This one was in Knotted Rope canyon. The story is just hitting the news http://kutv.com/ and www.ksl.com
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Appears that there was another unfortunate accident last weekend. This one was in Knotted Rope canyon. The story is just hitting the news http://kutv.com/ and www.ksl.com
rockspider75
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “A.J.” wrote:
If they were so well prepared, why didn’t they have a simple prussik > so she could get herself at least out of the water?
In the event that she knew how to tie a Prussik, there’s a possibility that she would have had difficulty sliding it given that her arm was broken.
> Very unfortunate indeed; a little > more knowledge could have gone a long way on this one it seems. Agreed, although it’s hard to tell without knowing the details.
Does anyone know if she was wearing a wet suit?
tom
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Tom Jones” wrote:
> Under the circumstances, it seems a tiny issue, not worth the > quibble. My only complaint is that they should have used a photo that > better represents the canyon.
You are a gentleman and a scholar….. Errrr. or just tolerant. No disrespect meant to the Coray’s. A terrible tragedy, and yes, given the circumstances this pales in significance.
-tom (w)
Tom Jones
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “tom” wrote:
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Dan Ransom” wrote:
Wasn’t the only thing used without permission… Half that
article is
rewritten from other sources, all without attribution.
rewritten or quoted? Rewriting is kosher, quoted without attribution – Many official sources are public domain and need not be attributed.
I saw that too, and sent T.J. and email (but I know he is guiding > today). If you google knotted rope canyon, the first hit you get is > his route description.
Hopefully the paper was professional enough to gain permission before > using his work. > -tom (w) > Under the circumstances, it seems a tiny issue, not worth the quibble. My only complaint is that they should have used a photo that better represents the canyon.
Tom
tom
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Dan Ransom” wrote:
Wasn’t the only thing used without permission… Half that article is > rewritten from other sources, all without attribution.
I saw that too, and sent T.J. and email (but I know he is guiding today). If you google knotted rope canyon, the first hit you get is his route description.
Hopefully the paper was professional enough to gain permission before using his work. -tom (w)
Dan Ransom
Wasn’t the only thing used without permission… Half that article is rewritten from other sources, all without attribution.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “JoeB” wrote:
Hey Emperor Tom – I recognize the photo in the paper’s article. I > hope they got your blessings to use it; no credit was given. -Joe
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “mike_dallin” wrote:
The local Nephi paper (the Times-News) has another article about the
accident, with a little more detail on the timelines, rescue, > setting,
etc:
http://www.nephitimesnews.com/0707/071807/2.htm
> The pdf version of the front page has a picture of Marie (but the
complete article is in the link above).
http://www.nephitimesnews.com/0707/071807/frontpage.pdf
> “The man said his wife hit into the side of the canyon and broke her
arm and was unable to pull herself back up and he was unable to pull
her up also,” said Guymon. “The man said his wife ran into trouble
while rappelling down a drop above a pool of water.”
Kimo tried stopping her fall and failed, said Guymon. Kimo worked > more
than four hours to free his wife. “The broken arm prevented her > from
pulling herself back up and her husband was unable to pull her to
safety,” he said.
[…]
“There was nothing he could do to save her. She eventually slipped
into the pool and he believes she died of exposure and hypothermia.”
>
Brando
I am still hoping to find some more answers as time goes on. My family is friends with Kimo.. he did the wedding photos for my sisters wedding, he did my brothers wedding announcements and most of my cousins wedding photos. My condolences to their family.
Questions I still have:
1. I didn’t know there was high rappelling in Knotted rope. How high could her rappel have been?
2. Is it possible that she had a rope tied to her and she was traversing a pothole on the side and slipped and fell? That could explain how she ‘swung to the other side’ and broke her arm.
Please update this forum post with any information you find. This information will help serve those to be better prepared.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “mike_dallin” wrote:
The local Nephi paper (the Times-News) has another article about the > accident, with a little more detail on the timelines, rescue, setting, > etc:
http://www.nephitimesnews.com/0707/071807/2.htm
> The pdf version of the front page has a picture of Marie (but the > complete article is in the link above).
http://www.nephitimesnews.com/0707/071807/frontpage.pdf
> “The man said his wife hit into the side of the canyon and broke her > arm and was unable to pull herself back up and he was unable to pull > her up also,” said Guymon. “The man said his wife ran into trouble > while rappelling down a drop above a pool of water.”
Kimo tried stopping her fall and failed, said Guymon. Kimo worked more > than four hours to free his wife. “The broken arm prevented her from > pulling herself back up and her husband was unable to pull her to > safety,” he said.
[…]
“There was nothing he could do to save her. She eventually slipped > into the pool and he believes she died of exposure and hypothermia.” >
JoeB
Hey Emperor Tom – I recognize the photo in the paper’s article. I hope they got your blessings to use it; no credit was given. -Joe
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “mike_dallin” wrote:
The local Nephi paper (the Times-News) has another article about the > accident, with a little more detail on the timelines, rescue, setting, > etc:
http://www.nephitimesnews.com/0707/071807/2.htm
> The pdf version of the front page has a picture of Marie (but the > complete article is in the link above).
http://www.nephitimesnews.com/0707/071807/frontpage.pdf
> “The man said his wife hit into the side of the canyon and broke her > arm and was unable to pull herself back up and he was unable to pull > her up also,” said Guymon. “The man said his wife ran into trouble > while rappelling down a drop above a pool of water.”
Kimo tried stopping her fall and failed, said Guymon. Kimo worked more > than four hours to free his wife. “The broken arm prevented her from > pulling herself back up and her husband was unable to pull her to > safety,” he said.
[…]
“There was nothing he could do to save her. She eventually slipped > into the pool and he believes she died of exposure and hypothermia.” >
gootwan
Hypothermia in the desert in the middle of summer. What a cruel and sad irony.
Just can’t imagine…
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “mike_dallin” wrote:
The local Nephi paper (the Times-News) has another article about the > accident, with a little more detail on the timelines, rescue, setting, > etc:
http://www.nephitimesnews.com/0707/071807/2.htm
> The pdf version of the front page has a picture of Marie (but the > complete article is in the link above).
http://www.nephitimesnews.com/0707/071807/frontpage.pdf
> “The man said his wife hit into the side of the canyon and broke her > arm and was unable to pull herself back up and he was unable to pull > her up also,” said Guymon. “The man said his wife ran into trouble > while rappelling down a drop above a pool of water.”
Kimo tried stopping her fall and failed, said Guymon. Kimo worked more > than four hours to free his wife. “The broken arm prevented her from > pulling herself back up and her husband was unable to pull her to > safety,” he said.
[…]
“There was nothing he could do to save her. She eventually slipped > into the pool and he believes she died of exposure and hypothermia.” >
mike_dallin
The local Nephi paper (the Times-News) has another article about the accident, with a little more detail on the timelines, rescue, setting, etc:
http://www.nephitimesnews.com/0707/071807/2.htm
The pdf version of the front page has a picture of Marie (but the complete article is in the link above).
http://www.nephitimesnews.com/0707/071807/frontpage.pdf
“The man said his wife hit into the side of the canyon and broke her arm and was unable to pull herself back up and he was unable to pull her up also,” said Guymon. “The man said his wife ran into trouble while rappelling down a drop above a pool of water.”
Kimo tried stopping her fall and failed, said Guymon. Kimo worked more than four hours to free his wife. “The broken arm prevented her from pulling herself back up and her husband was unable to pull her to safety,” he said.
[…]
“There was nothing he could do to save her. She eventually slipped into the pool and he believes she died of exposure and hypothermia.”
Verlyn Hawks
Mikee,
That brings back a flood of memories that I had just about forgotten. It was quite the trip with them. She seemed more reluctant than he to do the Spry (especially in November when it was rather chilly) but she obviously wanted to do things with him. A little knowledge or prep and/or another person to help can make all the difference. It is heartbreaking. It’s been a rough year. Verlyn
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “skunkman_mike” wrote:
> While it was the couple’s first trip to Knotted Rope Canyon, Jimmy
Coray said, they went in with 15 years of successful climbs behind > them.
“They’re very experienced,” he said. “It’s quite a shock.”
Guymon agreed. “This is not a case of someone not knowing what
they’re doing.”
I remember this couple. Verlyn and I encountered them 4 years ago in > Zion and took them under our wing for Spry Canyon. They were woefully > unprepared for the terrain – no wetsuits, helmets and little gear > beyond their harnesses and figure 8s. They demonstrated a tremendous > amount of enthusiasm and Kimo seemed quite comfortable on rock. Marie > however, seemed more comfortable with me & Verlyn and we set up guided > rappels to get her through the cold pools. At one point Verlyn even > carried her on his back through the water. All the assistance added > time to our trip and we ended up hiking down the sand pile at night > with headlamps. As I recall, they were an eccentric, free-spirited > couple with possibly a bit more eagerness than caution.
Skunkman Mike > Nawlins >
Bernell Warner
My hart goes out to Kimo and his family at this time. Take care and be safe canyoneers
Bernell
—– Original Message —- From: mike_dallin dallin@on-line.com> To: Yahoo Canyons Group Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:28:42 AM Subject: [from Canyons Group] Re: Another unfortunate accident
— In canyons@yahoogroups .com, “mike_dallin” wrote: > Has anyone heard more about this?
More info, via sltribune. My condolences to the Coray family and friends.
http://www.sltrib. com/ci_6393423
Canyon fall kills climber Husband watches helplessly as she tumbles into a ‘pothole’ By Erin Alberty The Salt Lake Tribune Article Last Updated: 07/17/2007 01:49:17 AM MDT
An experienced rock climber died over the weekend when she fell into a pool of water in a remote San Rafael Swell canyon and, because of injuries suffered in the fall, could not pull herself out. Her husband and climbing companion was unable to rescue her. Marie Coray, 58, was rappelling Saturday over a “pothole” – a pool of water at the bottom of a deep crevice – when she slammed into the canyon wall and broke her arm, apparently in an attempt to swing to a trail on the other side of the pool, said Emery County Sheriff Lamar Guymon. Because her arm was broken, she could not pull herself out, Guymon said. Her husband, Kimo, couldn’t pull her out either. “He was there with her until she expired,” Guymon said. The accident occurred in a section of the San Rafael Swell that is crisscrossed with deep narrow canyons cut into rock walls. The Corays were exploring Knotted Rope Canyon, a side channel to Cistern Canyon, Guymon said. The couple were to return to their home in Mona on Saturday. A rescue team began searching about 3 a.m. Monday after the Corays’ family reported them missing. Their son, Jimmy Coray, said members of their church became concerned when the couple did not show up for services Sunday morning. Searchers found Kimo Coray, 58, Monday about 9:30 a.m. after he had walked 20 miles in the wrong direction, Guymon said. Apparently Advertisement
Coray had become disoriented and began hiking out on the wrong trail. Rescuers rappelled into the pothole to retrieve Marie Coray’s body later Monday. Authorities aren’t sure whether she drowned or died of hypothermia. An autopsy is likely Tuesday, Guymon said. Kimo Coray, a professional photographer, suffered cuts and bruises and was dehydrated, Guymon said. He has returned to his home in Mona; his family said he is not speaking publicly about the accident. The Corays have six adult children. While it was the couple’s first trip to Knotted Rope Canyon, Jimmy Coray said, they went in with 15 years of successful climbs behind them. “They’re very experienced, ” he said. “It’s quite a shock.” Guymon agreed. “This is not a case of someone not knowing what they’re doing.”
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skunkman_mike
> While it was the couple’s first trip to Knotted Rope Canyon, Jimmy > Coray said, they went in with 15 years of successful climbs behind them. > “They’re very experienced,” he said. “It’s quite a shock.” > Guymon agreed. “This is not a case of someone not knowing what > they’re doing.” >
I remember this couple. Verlyn and I encountered them 4 years ago in Zion and took them under our wing for Spry Canyon. They were woefully unprepared for the terrain – no wetsuits, helmets and little gear beyond their harnesses and figure 8s. They demonstrated a tremendous amount of enthusiasm and Kimo seemed quite comfortable on rock. Marie however, seemed more comfortable with me & Verlyn and we set up guided rappels to get her through the cold pools. At one point Verlyn even carried her on his back through the water. All the assistance added time to our trip and we ended up hiking down the sand pile at night with headlamps. As I recall, they were an eccentric, free-spirited couple with possibly a bit more eagerness than caution.
Skunkman Mike Nawlins
mike_dallin
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “mike_dallin” wrote: > Has anyone heard more about this?
More info, via sltribune. My condolences to the Coray family and friends.
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6393423
Canyon fall kills climber Husband watches helplessly as she tumbles into a ‘pothole’ By Erin Alberty The Salt Lake Tribune Article Last Updated: 07/17/2007 01:49:17 AM MDT
An experienced rock climber died over the weekend when she fell into a pool of water in a remote San Rafael Swell canyon and, because of injuries suffered in the fall, could not pull herself out. Her husband and climbing companion was unable to rescue her. Marie Coray, 58, was rappelling Saturday over a “pothole” – a pool of water at the bottom of a deep crevice – when she slammed into the canyon wall and broke her arm, apparently in an attempt to swing to a trail on the other side of the pool, said Emery County Sheriff Lamar Guymon. Because her arm was broken, she could not pull herself out, Guymon said. Her husband, Kimo, couldn’t pull her out either. “He was there with her until she expired,” Guymon said. The accident occurred in a section of the San Rafael Swell that is crisscrossed with deep narrow canyons cut into rock walls. The Corays were exploring Knotted Rope Canyon, a side channel to Cistern Canyon, Guymon said. The couple were to return to their home in Mona on Saturday. A rescue team began searching about 3 a.m. Monday after the Corays’ family reported them missing. Their son, Jimmy Coray, said members of their church became concerned when the couple did not show up for services Sunday morning. Searchers found Kimo Coray, 58, Monday about 9:30 a.m. after he had walked 20 miles in the wrong direction, Guymon said. Apparently Advertisement
Coray had become disoriented and began hiking out on the wrong trail. Rescuers rappelled into the pothole to retrieve Marie Coray’s body later Monday. Authorities aren’t sure whether she drowned or died of hypothermia. An autopsy is likely Tuesday, Guymon said. Kimo Coray, a professional photographer, suffered cuts and bruises and was dehydrated, Guymon said. He has returned to his home in Mona; his family said he is not speaking publicly about the accident. The Corays have six adult children. While it was the couple’s first trip to Knotted Rope Canyon, Jimmy Coray said, they went in with 15 years of successful climbs behind them. “They’re very experienced,” he said. “It’s quite a shock.” Guymon agreed. “This is not a case of someone not knowing what they’re doing.”
A.J.
If they were so well prepared, why didn’t they have a simple prussik so she could get herself at least out of the water? He could possibly have rigged a pulley system, etc. Very unfortunate indeed; a little more knowledge could have gone a long way on this one it seems. Have to imagine the water levels in the swell are low now. Could be some interesting escapes.
My condolences if anyone on this forum was directly affected by this latest accident.
> Appears that there was another unfortunate accident last weekend. This > one was in Knotted Rope canyon. The story is just hitting the news > http://kutv.com/ and http://www.ksl.com >
mike_dallin
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Greg Cornelius” wrote:
Appears that there was another unfortunate accident last weekend. This > one was in Knotted Rope canyon. The story is just hitting the news > http://kutv.com/ and http://www.ksl.com
Has anyone heard more about this? The Salt Lake Tribune is reporting that a woman died and her husband was injured and flown out after a rock climbing accident in Knotted Rope:
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6389165?source=rss
KSL has a report too, but doesn’t mention Knotted Rope:
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1491261
In an unrelated accident, Rich Carlson is reporting that five died in a flash flood canyoning accident in Costa Rica:
http://www.canyoneering.net/forums/showthread.php?p=7954#post7954
This is turning into a sad, dark summer for canyoneering. My thoughts and prayers go out to all those involved, their families and their loved ones. What a tragic time.
M