— In Yahoo Canyons Group, scott patterson
You said you used your REI dividend to buy them.
Here’s what the REI site says about them:
********** Beal 8mm x 60m Static Trail Line The Beal Trail Line’s low weight and lack of stretch make it ideal for your big-wall hauling system. • Kernmantle construction passes easily through rigging systems • DryCoVer treatment chemically coats each filament creating a sheath that resists abrasion, dirt and water • Not intended for use as a climbing rope ***********
I think these are basically the same rope Tom used for awhile that were marked as BD trailines. Aweful to rappel on.
They are still sold by BD as well, but, now marked as Beal. Here’s what BD says about them:
************** Trail Line Static rope for hauling Good balance between durability and lightness Every wall climber should have one **************
So, you could go direct to Beal’s website. Here’s what they say:
************** TRAIL LINE Hauling and abseiling cord. Very light and very low stretch to facilitate hauling, and recovery of single rope abseils. Warning : this an accessory cord which must not be used as a security rope. On abseils, it may be used as a pull-down line for an appropriately rigged single rope. Weight : 30g/m Strength : 1050kg STRONG POINTS : • Very static. • Light. • In 50 and 60 m lengths. The Dyneema which makes up the core of Trail Line and which makes it very low-stretch is extremely slippy. That’s why in use sheath slippage may occur. This may be eliminated by cutting the excess sheath off the end of the rope. **************
Beal makes ropes specific for canyoneering. And they make static ropes for caving that would work as well, in addition to their many climbing ropes.
Had you done any research on this rope at all you would see it wasn’t recommended for your intended use.
Any chance you could produce a link to a source which recommends them for rappelling on?
-Brian in SLC
Tom Jones
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “beadysee” wrote:
> Still have a hunk of that teal Trail Line that Tom or one of his > team left in some canyon… Initially, I think the Trail Line was > Tom’s mainstay for canyon ropes. Then came that teal model…and > folks had real issues with it bunching up on them during rappels. > First round of the stuff was tightly woven and quite good. The second version (Teal), of which I pre-ordered 6, were quite loosely woven and were terrible. The sheath slipped a lot. We (BD) complained, but they denied that they were able to control the tension (!??$#^&@). The newest version sounds like it has a dyneema core. A slippery core yields lots of sheath slippage. A loose sheath yields lots of sheath slippage. The two together???
Sorry Scott – I agree with BDC – the takeaway is that the Beal Trailline would suck for canyoneering. Beal statics? No report on these, but the Trailline is NOT a static rope.
Reminds me of a conversation about drybags with a certain Contessa of Canyoneering:
she: drybags don’t work me: no, drybags work great. she: they never work for me. They always leak. me: what kind are you buying? she: Oh, I pick them up at yard sales, or buy the cheap ones at REI. me: perhaps you should try some good ones. she: but they always leak, so why should I spend good money on them?
Tom
Tom Jones
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
I completely agree. > The only thing I would add is the link: > http://imlaycanyongear.com/rope.htm
> Dave > The price has gone up since then, but otherwise THAT page is up to date. Other pages on the ICG site are, unfortunately, quite out of date.
Tom
> — In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Bo” wrote:
I still find the best value for a rope is Imlay Canyon Rope. Made > by
Cancord, this polyester 100% “cord” has a very tight “pic” and > holds
up very well for the $ spent. It is quite “static” as compared
to “low stretch”. Tends to absorb less water, and is pretty
lightweight.
Having used mostly PMI Maxwear 8mm (now considered 9mm) in the > past,
and BW Canyon Pro and BW Canyon Rope, I find the Imlay “cord” to be
about the best I’ve used for the buck. Sterling makes a canyon
specific rope. I guess I need to try it?
FWIW and IMHO.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, scott patterson wrote:
“Had you done any research on this rope at all you would see it
wasn’t recommended for your intended use.”
I agree 100%. and that’s why this thread could be useful here > on
the group. See part of my orginal message:
“I would recommend not using Beal statics for canyoneering. I
assume they perform better for things like haul line.”
Only certain employees/distributers are recommending them for > such
use and you’re correct that everyone should go directly to the
manufacture to do the research before buying. Hopefully the > thread
will point that out. It sounds like about everyone who has tried
them for canyoneering has had the same experience, but as said in > the
original post they probably make better haul lines which is what > they
are meant for.
“Beal makes ropes specific for canyoneering.”
Yes. It appears that they might not be the best canyoneering
rope?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/message/9460
beadysee
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, scott patterson wrote:
> I agree 100%. and that’s why this thread could be useful here on the group. See part of my orginal message:
“I would recommend not using Beal statics for canyoneering. I assume they perform better for things like haul line.”
Beal static rope (A or B rated per their website) would more than likely work great. The Trail Line isn’t their static rope, per se. Its, oddly enough, a “trail line”.
You’re still mistating that “Beal statics” are a problem. When, really, only the Trail Line is the problem.
> “Beal makes ropes specific for canyoneering.”
Yes. It appears that they might not be the best canyoneering rope?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/message/9460
Rich bought ropes from Beal in 1999? My bet is they are way different than the Aqua Line or Pro Canyon Beal now offers.
European canyoning ropes tend to be a bit different due to use in mostly water flow, I’d think. And, they think we’re nuts for using thin cords…
Still have a hunk of that teal Trail Line that Tom or one of his team left in some canyon… Initially, I think the Trail Line was Tom’s mainstay for canyon ropes. Then came that teal model…and folks had real issues with it bunching up on them during rappels.
Anyhoo, I’ve always had good luck with Beal ropes…their doubles for climbing have been in my stable for a number of years now…no issues.
Probably wouldn’t normally see any of their standard caving or canyoning ropes here in the U.S. Too much competition from domestic rope makers. BW, PMI, New England… Not to mention Tom’s Imlay ropes and the Espirit stuff from across the border.
Geez, I’d think the default rope of choice would be an Imlay…
At least you have plenty of sling material for anchors…(!) Or a comfy pull cord.
Cheers,
-Brian in SLC
davewyo1
I completely agree. The only thing I would add is the link: http://imlaycanyongear.com/rope.htm Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Bo” wrote:
I still find the best value for a rope is Imlay Canyon Rope. Made by > Cancord, this polyester 100% “cord” has a very tight “pic” and holds > up very well for the $ spent. It is quite “static” as compared > to “low stretch”. Tends to absorb less water, and is pretty > lightweight.
Having used mostly PMI Maxwear 8mm (now considered 9mm) in the past, > and BW Canyon Pro and BW Canyon Rope, I find the Imlay “cord” to be > about the best I’ve used for the buck. Sterling makes a canyon > specific rope. I guess I need to try it? > FWIW and IMHO.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, scott patterson wrote:
“Had you done any research on this rope at all you would see it > wasn’t recommended for your intended use.”
I agree 100%. and that’s why this thread could be useful here on > the group. See part of my orginal message:
“I would recommend not using Beal statics for canyoneering. I > assume they perform better for things like haul line.”
Only certain employees/distributers are recommending them for such > use and you’re correct that everyone should go directly to the > manufacture to do the research before buying. Hopefully the thread > will point that out. It sounds like about everyone who has tried > them for canyoneering has had the same experience, but as said in the > original post they probably make better haul lines which is what they > are meant for.
“Beal makes ropes specific for canyoneering.”
Yes. It appears that they might not be the best canyoneering > rope?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/message/9460
>
>
Bo
I still find the best value for a rope is Imlay Canyon Rope. Made by Cancord, this polyester 100% “cord” has a very tight “pic” and holds up very well for the $ spent. It is quite “static” as compared to “low stretch”. Tends to absorb less water, and is pretty lightweight.
Having used mostly PMI Maxwear 8mm (now considered 9mm) in the past, and BW Canyon Pro and BW Canyon Rope, I find the Imlay “cord” to be about the best I’ve used for the buck. Sterling makes a canyon specific rope. I guess I need to try it? FWIW and IMHO.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, scott patterson wrote:
“Had you done any research on this rope at all you would see it wasn’t recommended for your intended use.”
I agree 100%. and that’s why this thread could be useful here on the group. See part of my orginal message:
“I would recommend not using Beal statics for canyoneering. I assume they perform better for things like haul line.”
Only certain employees/distributers are recommending them for such use and you’re correct that everyone should go directly to the manufacture to do the research before buying. Hopefully the thread will point that out. It sounds like about everyone who has tried them for canyoneering has had the same experience, but as said in the original post they probably make better haul lines which is what they are meant for.
“Beal makes ropes specific for canyoneering.”
Yes. It appears that they might not be the best canyoneering rope?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/message/9460
>
scott patterson
“Had you done any research on this rope at all you would see it wasn’t recommended for your intended use.”
I agree 100%. and that’s why this thread could be useful here on the group. See part of my orginal message:
“I would recommend not using Beal statics for canyoneering. I assume they perform better for things like haul line.”
Only certain employees/distributers are recommending them for such use and you’re correct that everyone should go directly to the manufacture to do the research before buying. Hopefully the thread will point that out. It sounds like about everyone who has tried them for canyoneering has had the same experience, but as said in the original post they probably make better haul lines which is what they are meant for.
“Beal makes ropes specific for canyoneering.”
Yes. It appears that they might not be the best canyoneering rope?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/message/9460