“You’re still mistating that “Beal statics” are a problem. When, really, only the Trail Line is the problem”
Fair enough, but I also specified the ones bought at REI, which are the Trail Lines. Check out the title now (wink). I’ll delete the old post since yahoo doesn’t allow edits.
Anyway, I wanted to avoid mentioning the specific store, but when you walk into the SLC REI and ask for a canyoneering (or caving) rope they (or at least did) point you straight to the Trail Lines and give you a spill about how great and wonderful they are for canyoneering. Like fools, some of us bought them without checking the websites and manufacture’s own spill, so I started this post as fair warning. Anyway, these ropes were bought in July 2007 on my way to Zion. Here is an excerpt from post made by Steve Lewis on the ACA forum in August 2007:
Quote: stay away from the 8mm “static” Beal Trail Line that shows up in REI stores. They often discount it and ignorant clerks pawn it off on unwary customers that mention “canyoneering.” Obviously it’s an ongoing problem and others had the same problem, so I thought it would be good to mention here. Moral of the story: Beal Static Trail Lines are not good for canyons. be smart and check manufacture’s spill directly. Don’t be a fool and buy one for canyons, even if some distrubuters recommend them.
Still have a hunk of that teal Trail Line that Tom or one of his team left in some canyon… Initially, I think the Trail Line was Tom’s mainstay for canyon ropes. Then came that teal model…and folks had real issues with it bunching up on them during rappels.
“Geez, I’d think the default rope of choice would be an Imlay…”
Yes, I mentioned that they are far superior. I like those better and also have lots of other Imlay canyon stuff. The only reason for the Trail Line was to use the dividend.
“At least you have plenty of sling material for anchors…(!) Or a comfy pull cord.”
One rope is still unused, so maybe I’ll keep in in case I ever do need a haul line, hee hee. I’ll cut the other one up and find some use for it. Or maybe I can just take both and make one of these:
Neil
I’ve worn out a series of BW Canyon Pro 8 mm and Canyon 9mm ropes over the last few years. I’ve also owned the maxwear rope and these are all great canyoneering ropes. Also, who can forget the gold line.
At first I was skeptical of the Cancord (Imlay ropes) that Tom sells but they have won me over. In regards to canyoneering, they are simply the best rope for the money I have used. I still favor the Blue Water ropes but the difference is so negligible that I can’t justify the extra money for them and have happily been using the Imlay Canyon Gear ropes for the last couple of years. As my older rope selection wears out the old ropes are being slowly replaced by Imlay Canyon Gear’s product.
Neil
stefan
right … like this one:
http://tinyurl.com/3jytqa
other colors to worry about also?
On May 21, 2008, at 12:27 AM, Penny Martens wrote:
> Welllll, if she be a real purty purple and teal with a silky soft > sheath and wrinkles down ’round her ankles, she’d be a Beal of the > Trail Line variety. > Penny
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Welllll, if she be a real purty purple and teal with a silky soft sheath and wrinkles down ’round her ankles, she’d be a Beal of the Trail Line variety. Penny
stefan
so, can this Beal Trail Line Static Rope be discerned when found in the wild(i.e., without tags, not in the store, etc.)?
stefan
scott patterson
“Relax. That’s just Tom trying to give you a backhanded compliment (you are a wonderful, experienced person) while he simultaneously twists the knife in a little deeper. ”
OK, never mind then. I just had oral surgery today and guess I was a bit groggy and missed the point/took it the wrong way. My apologies.
Tim Hoover
— scott patterson kesscokim@yahoo.com> wrote: > I’m trying to help some people out here adn it > seems like I’m being dog piled on for some reason.
I agree – but I can never tell what’s likely to set this group off, so I try never to be surprised.
> Also, where did I or anyone else claim that I’ve > done “thousands of canyons”, at least technical > ones?
Relax. That’s just Tom trying to give you a backhanded compliment (you are a wonderful, experienced person) while he simultaneously twists the knife in a little deeper.
If it makes you feel any better, I’ve seen those ropes at REI and considered using my divided on them. Now I know better so your primary, altruistic mission was accomplished. Thanks.
Tim
bruce silliman
Yup, REI = Return Every Item
bruce from bryce
To: canyons@yahoogroups.comFrom: matt.maxon@grmccormick.comDate: Tue, 20 May 2008 20:39:21 +0000Subject: [from Canyons Group] Re: Beal Trail Line Static Ropes (not so good for canyoneering)
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, scott patterson wrote:
Anyway, I wanted to avoid mentioning the specific store, but when>you walk into the SLC REI and ask for a canyoneering (or caving) rope>they (or at least did) point you straight to the Trail Lines and give>you a spill about how great and wonderful they are for canyoneering.>Like fools, some of us bought them without checking the websitesand >manufacture’s own spill, so I started this post as fair warning.>Anyway, these ropes were bought in July 2007 on my way to Zion. >I’d avail myself of the liberal REI return policySince their sales person recommended it for canyoneering Nothing Ventured, Nothing Gained….Perhaps one day they will stock canyoneering rope…..Matt
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Tom Jones
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Tom Jones” wrote:
If you were misled, you should return it to REI for a refund.
Tom >
Hmmm, sounds like a chorus.
Some degree of irony: experienced canyoneer Scott Patterson, who has done thousands of canyons, taking canyoneering gear advice from a random REI employee with little to no canyon experience….
nah, let’s not go there.
Tom
Tom Jones
If you were misled, you should return it to REI for a refund.
Tom
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, scott patterson wrote:
> “You’re still mistating that “Beal statics” are a problem. When, really, only the Trail Line is the problem”
Fair enough, but I also specified the ones bought at REI, which are the Trail Lines. Check out the title now (wink). I’ll delete the old post since yahoo doesn’t allow edits.
Anyway, I wanted to avoid mentioning the specific store, but when you walk into the SLC REI and ask for a canyoneering (or caving) rope they (or at least did) point you straight to the Trail Lines and give you a spill about how great and wonderful they are for canyoneering. Like fools, some of us bought them without checking the websites and manufacture’s own spill, so I started this post as fair warning. Anyway, these ropes were bought in July 2007 on my way to Zion. Here is an excerpt from post made by Steve Lewis on the ACA forum in August 2007:
Quote: stay away from the 8mm “static” Beal Trail Line that shows up in REI stores. They often discount it and ignorant clerks pawn it off on unwary customers that mention “canyoneering.” > Obviously it’s an ongoing problem and others had the same problem, so I thought it would be good to mention here. Moral of the story: Beal Static Trail Lines are not good for canyons. be smart and check manufacture’s spill directly. Don’t be a fool and buy one for canyons, even if some distrubuters recommend them.
Still have a hunk of that teal Trail Line that Tom or one of his team left in some canyon… Initially, I think the Trail Line was Tom’s mainstay for canyon ropes. Then came that teal model…and folks had real issues with it bunching up on them during rappels.
“Geez, I’d think the default rope of choice would be an Imlay…”
Yes, I mentioned that they are far superior. I like those better and also have lots of other Imlay canyon stuff. The only reason for the Trail Line was to use the dividend.
“At least you have plenty of sling material for anchors…(!) Or a comfy pull cord.”
One rope is still unused, so maybe I’ll keep in in case I ever do need a haul line, hee hee. I’ll cut the other one up and find some use for it. Or maybe I can just take both and make one of these:
http://www.roperugs.com/
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beadysee
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Matt Maxon” wrote:
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, scott patterson wrote:
> Anyway, I wanted to avoid mentioning the specific store, but when
you walk into the SLC REI and ask for a canyoneering (or caving) rope
they (or at least did) point you straight to the Trail Lines and give
you a spill about how great and wonderful they are for canyoneering.
> I’d avail myself of the liberal REI return policy
Yeah, they don’t call it, “Return Every Item” for nothing.
I’d take them back.
No way should they be pushin’ those as canyon ropes. A few returns and they’ll get the hint.
-Brian in SLC
Matt Maxon
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, scott patterson wrote:
Anyway, I wanted to avoid mentioning the specific store, but when >you walk into the SLC REI and ask for a canyoneering (or caving) rope >they (or at least did) point you straight to the Trail Lines and give >you a spill about how great and wonderful they are for canyoneering. >Like fools, some of us bought them without checking the websites and >manufacture’s own spill, so I started this post as fair warning. >Anyway, these ropes were bought in July 2007 on my way to Zion. >
I’d avail myself of the liberal REI return policy
Since their sales person recommended it for canyoneering
Nothing Ventured, Nothing Gained….
Perhaps one day they will stock canyoneering rope…..
Matt