Yeah, looks like the Cirque Pros have the same Frixion rubber as the Exum Ridge. I’ll cross those off. I don’t climb better in the Sportiva’s. Different strokes, I guess .. I need to find something diferent though. 5.10s get beat up pretty quick after a few soakings and they’re too heavy when wet also. I’m knocking around in some Merrell Ventilators. Maybe I’ll try those in the canyons. Rubber, a vibram blend, is definitely stickier than the Frixion.
-steve http://smestdagh.blogspot.com/
—– Original Message —- From: beadysee beadysee@yahoo.com> To: Yahoo Canyons Group Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 10:32:45 AM Subject: [from Canyons Group] Re: Canyoneering Shoes
— In canyons@yahoogroups .com, steve mestdagh
wrote:
>
> How sticky are the Cirque Pros compared to the 5.10s or the Exum
Ridge?
> 5.10 are pricey but the rubber is great for technical canyons
(i.e. climbing technical).
> I will not buy another pair of the Exum Ridge – the rubber wears
well but very poor friction. Sportiva should know better.
I’d think the sticky rubber would be the same on both the Cirque Pro
and Exum?
I find that typically, while the 5.10 C4 rubber is maybe stickier, I
climb better in the Sportiva shoes. The Exum has been my A list
shoe for several years now. Showing that perhaps, Sportiva does
indeed know better.
Had only a couple 5.10 shoes. Between the fit and durability, never
had as much confidence in them. My bet is its hit or miss (like any
shoe).
When I get climbing shoes resoled, its almost always 5.10 rubber.
Never wears as well, but, does seem stickier. Anyone have a current
favorite climbing shoe resole rubber?
Wearin’ the B5 right now. Doin’ ok once I reglued the red rubber
chevrons on the bottom (ugh). Office shoe. Would work ok for
approaches, methinks.
-Brian in SLC
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hank moon
Re: Dunlop Volley
I have a pair of size 10 – used once. Fine shape, just not-so-white anymore.
15 bux and they’re yours (postpaid to lower 48).
Reply to dekoi99@gmail.com if interested.
hank
Charly Oliver
Cirque Pro’s Rock!!!
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “hank moon” wrote:
My favorite skinny shoe: Sportiva Cirque Pro.
Why?
– Glove fit and comfy (Mythos lacing system) > – Burly heel and rand rubber for dancing w/Mae > – Minimal seams – easy to protect w/goop > – Climb very well > – Easily resoleable (in theory) > – Great durability overall
On 10/10/07, Stefanos Folias wrote:
upon first reglance at this shoe, after deciding i needed to find a
better shoe for the skinnies, >
Stefanos Folias
yeah, actually you were the one who first turned me onto the idea of using this shoe … perhaps Santa will be nice to me this year?
we’ll see
stefan
On Oct 10, 2007, at 12:22 PM, “hank moon” onkaluna@gmail.com> wrote:
> My favorite skinny shoe: Sportiva Cirque Pro.
Why?
– Glove fit and comfy (Mythos lacing system) > – Burly heel and rand rubber for dancing w/Mae > – Minimal seams – easy to protect w/goop > – Climb very well > – Easily resoleable (in theory) > – Great durability overall
On 10/10/07, Stefanos Folias sf@bu.edu> wrote: >> upon first reglance at this shoe, after deciding i needed to find a >> better shoe for the skinnies,
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On 10/10/07, Mike Dallin mike_dallin@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ah, that’s a shame. I was hoping the Dunlop Volley’s success in Oz canyons >would translate to the States as well. I was hoping that a cheap alternative >canyon shoe would arrive….
From what I’ve seen, a lot of what goes on in Oz canyons is done for the sake of tradition. Volleys, Piton/carabiner descenders, etc. fit into this category IMO.
hank moon
My favorite skinny shoe: Sportiva Cirque Pro.
Why?
– Glove fit and comfy (Mythos lacing system) – Burly heel and rand rubber for dancing w/Mae – Minimal seams – easy to protect w/goop – Climb very well – Easily resoleable (in theory) – Great durability overall
On 10/10/07, Stefanos Folias sf@bu.edu> wrote: > upon first reglance at this shoe, after deciding i needed to find a > better shoe for the skinnies,
Mike Dallin
> Mike, these shoes really blow…unless you enjoy wearing slippers in > the slots. No support, average grip. I suppose they could be improved > by addition of “Superfeet” insole or the like, but didn’t try this. > Almost like walking barefoot…but without the grip of bare skin. > Juiceless.
Ah, that’s a shame. I was hoping the Dunlop Volley’s success in Oz canyons would translate to the States as well. I was hoping that a cheap alternative canyon shoe would arrive…. it’s getting hard to justify spending wads of cash on a shoe that either destroys my feet, or is itself destroyed after a dozen canyons or so. But then again the population of canyoneers who would buy such a shoe is so small compared to other markets, I suppose a cheap alternative probably isn’t cost effective. Ah well.
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A.J.
> What I’d really like to try is the Dunlop Volley. I could kick > myself for not getting a pair (or a suitcase full) last time I > was in Oz. Does anyone know a way to get one here in the states, > or know of a company that makes something comparable that is > easily available here?
Not easily, but I have friends in Oz. They have watched for a sale for me before, and shipped me a few pairs. I could probably get the same setup for you. They have a wierd sizing though, really long and narrow compared to the US sizes. Wasn’t too thrilled with the pairs that I got. The rubber is good, but there is no support on the arches nor over the foot (shoe is very flexible.) Not great for jams. IMHO
Take care, A.J.
Stefanos Folias
upon first reglance at this shoe, after deciding i needed to find a better shoe for the skinnies, i had high hopes for its potential. alas it did not fit my foot well at all (story of my life). i am looking for a functional shoe that i don’t need to think about when i am concentrating on the canyon or simply trying to enjoy the canyon. i have to agree with mike dallin here, i feel the footbed of the sportivas (ridge/river) was made for my foot too. whether skiing, hiking or canyoning, fit is very high on my list of priorities. one reason, despite my frustrations with its wear and tear, that i will continue to use the shoe.
stefan
On Oct 10, 2007, at 7:27 AM, bruce silliman wrote:
> I have a pair on Montrail D1s. Only canyons I’ve used them are in > Zion as the sides would be ripped in the skinnies. Good fit for > approach shoe alone.
Matt Smith
FWIW –
Exum Rivers were good to me, may as well cut the straps off right out of the box. They do nothing, and will break and end up flapping if you don’t. Laces coming untied can be a problem. I found that going around the loop 2 times before making the second loop works great for round laces, including these (trick I learned from church shoes). Sportivas are way better for hiking in my opinion. They are stable and more rigid. So if you are going somewhere that is a long way in, or out, or both, I like my Exum Ridge the best, followed by the River.
I am working on the B5 now, but don’t have any definitive results.
Montrail will be discontinuing their CTC and CTC Mid this year. Should be able to get good prices if you watch Sierra Trading Post and other places. I really like the shoe. Super comfortable, and grips as good as Exum River IMO. The eyelets eat through laces pretty fast, but I think you can pop them out….or just carry some extra laces. One downside is they are big-time sand catchers. Worse than the Sportivas.
Haven’t yet tried the new Canyoneers. That is upcoming.
Inov8 has some good shoes. FlyRoc in particular is pretty comfortable. I’ll be doing a few more of their shoes over the fall season.
Sherpa
bruce silliman
I have a pair on Montrail D1s. Only canyons I’ve used them are in Zion as the sides would be ripped in the skinnies. Good fit for approach shoe alone. Climbed Tabernacle Dome with them and they worked great.
bruce from bryce
To: canyons@yahoogroups.comFrom: s_mestdagh@yahoo.comDate: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:57:55 -0700Subject: Re: [from Canyons Group] Re: Canyoneering Shoes
Yeah, looks like the Cirque Pros have the same Frixion rubber as the Exum Ridge. I’ll cross those off. I don’t climb better in the Sportiva’s. Different strokes, I guess ..I need to find something diferent though. 5.10s get beat up pretty quick after a few soakings and they’re too heavy when wet also. I’m knocking around in some Merrell Ventilators. Maybe I’ll try those in the canyons. Rubber, a vibram blend, is definitely stickier than the Frixion.-stevehttp://smestdagh.blogspot.com/—– Original Message —-From: beadysee beadysee@yahoo.com>To: canyons@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 10:32:45 AMSubject: [from Canyons Group] Re: Canyoneering Shoes— In canyons@yahoogroups .com, steve mestdagh wrote:>> How sticky are the Cirque Pros compared to the 5.10s or the Exum Ridge? > 5.10 are pricey but the rubber is great for technical canyons (i.e. climbing technical). > I will not buy another pair of the Exum Ridge – the rubber wears well but very poor friction. Sportiva should know better.I’d think the sticky rubber would be the same on both the Cirque Pro and Exum?I find that typically, while the 5.10 C4 rubber is maybe stickier, I climb better in the Sportiva shoes. The Exum has been my A list shoe for several years now. Showing that perhaps, Sportiva does indeed know better.Had only a couple 5.10 shoes. Between the fit and durability, never had as much confidence in them. My bet is its hit or miss (like any shoe).When I get climbing shoes resoled, its almost always 5.10 rubber. Never wears as well, but, does seem stickier. Anyone have a current favorite climbing shoe resole rubber?Wearin’ the B5 right now. Doin’ ok once I reglued the red rubber chevrons on the bottom (ugh). Office shoe. Would work ok for approaches, methinks.-Brian in SLC________Tonight’s top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on TV.http://tv.yahoo.com/
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bruce silliman
I was told that the 5-10s were terrible for approaches but have found that not to be the case. If it will be a long hike in I put on a pair of ‘heavy’ smart wool socks. I also wear an extra insert sole and they are tight fitting. If the water is supposed to be really cold the neoprene socks just go over the socks and my feet are warm. This past weekend in Kolob Creek this combo worked very well.
bruce from bryce
To: canyons@yahoogroups.comFrom: creeves@rosenbergassociates.netDate: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:51:50 +0000Subject: [from Canyons Group] Re: Canyoneering Shoes
When I wore my Exum Rivers in Das Boot/Subway they did very good, except I did slip on the green slime in the Subway right after Shane slipped in the exact same place. He looked back and we laughed together as we picked ourselves off of our butts. The only problem I saw in my Exum’s are that they let rocks in like crazy. I hate rocks in my shoes and I had to empty them 2-3 times. I was actually warned by Bo that they get rocks in them. Other than that they were great. Comfortable and they seemed to drain pretty well, but I wasn’t really paying attention to that. I did wear them in my recent trip to Escalente hiking down to the Fence Canyon campground. They were quite comfortable. I can’t really give much description about that trip other than they were comfortable since I wasn’t paying much attention to my feet other than to not slip off the black drop off to the right as me and Eric hiked in the pitch black together. We hiked down a few steep sandstone cliffs and they were very sticky. But they were also pretty much brand new. Since I don’t have much experience with other canyoneering shoes I can’t really compare them with others, but I like them. For me they are comfortable hiking and canyoneering shoes in my little experience, but then my feet pretty much conform to most any shoe I wear hiking.— In Yahoo Canyons Group, Stefanos Folias wrote:>> shweet … it looks like krakauer wears them too … haha
i think, i’ll have to reevaluate what i think about the shoe in wet > taiga/tundra environs, though.
stefan
> On Oct 8, 2007, at 12:57 PM, beadysee wrote:
> — In Yahoo Canyons Group, Stefanos Folias wrote:
> have you looked at the La Sportiva Exum River? it’s based on the
> approach shoe the La Sportiva Exum Ridge, which is one of the best
> shoes in my opinion (
Check out the latest cover of National Geographic Adventure…
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/
‘Parently they’re good for Alaska too.
-Brian in SLC
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tnunemac
Maybe this is a silly suggestion, but couldn’t you just buy them online and have them ship you a pair from Oz? Looks like places like this:
http://rebelsport.com.au/?action=view&id=701059
Would ship them to you for $25AUS flat rate. That’s maybe a little pricey now with our crappy dollar. Still, the shoe’s pretty inexpensive, compared with the Canyoneer or the Exum River.
How’s the Volley rubber compare, by the way?
-Tyson
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, Mike Dallin wrote:
What I’d really like to try is the Dunlop Volley. I could kick myself for not getting a pair (or a suitcase full) last time I was in Oz. Does anyone know a way to get one here in the states, or know of a company that makes something comparable that is easily available here?
Tom Jones
I was a big fan of the old Canyoneer (except that they fell apart really fast) when used with a footbed to beef them up a little bit, and in a big enough size so they don’t chew up your toenails.
I used the Exum Rivers this spring and liked them. I think they rock climb better than the Canyoneers, because they are actually stiff enough to edge on some things (although, admittedly not ‘dime edges’, more like ‘roll-of-dime-edges’). But, I think they tore up pretty fast and the shoe laces come undone all the time, even when the laces are double-tied. (The strap holders break quickly – I advise pulling them right away and tossing in the recycle bin).
I use and like the NEW Canyoneer. They hold up very much better than the old Canyoneers, and better than the Exum Rivers. The footbed is still pretty flat, and I really should get some footbeds to stuff in there. I have been guiding at ZAC where we rent the shoes, and they are holding up really well. The footbeds are kinda lame and end up being pulled out in the rental program, but they make very little difference if you are using a neoprene sock. I like the way the New Canyoneers climb (in a canyon) and they have enough support, etc. etc. Good stuff.
Interesting seeing different people’s takes on the two.
Tom
tom
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, steve mestdagh wrote:
Yeah, looks like the Cirque Pros have the same Frixion rubber as the Exum Ridge. I’ll cross those off. I don’t climb better in the Sportiva’s. Different strokes, I guess ..
Looks like everyone’s getting different mileage. I personally didn’t see any difference in stickiness between the 5.10’s and the Sportiva’s. The tread life is not that great on the Exum’s, so the shoe outlasts the sole (for me) – the opposite with the Canyoneers I had which fell apart (buckles, stitching, delamination) before the tread was worn.
Ironically when I bought the Exum River to replace the Exum ridge I found the sizing different (shoe had less volume) which meant that I had to completely remove the insoles to wear then with my thin wetsocks – and those restrainer strap thingy’s lasted about 2 canyons….
I went back to the Exum Ridge, which I now can find on sale in the 70$ range……
BTW – For climbing I have found little difference between 5.10 and Sportiva rubber, other than the temperature range – The sportivas always seem greasy in high temps…..
-tom (w)
hank moon
On 10/9/07, Mike Dallin mike_dallin@hotmail.com> wrote: > What I’d really like to try is the Dunlop Volley. I could kick myself for not getting a pair (or a suitcase full) last time I was in Oz. Does anyone know a way to get one here in the states, or know of a company that makes something comparable that is easily available here?
Mike, these shoes really blow…unless you enjoy wearing slippers in the slots. No support, average grip. I suppose they could be improved by addition of “Superfeet” insole or the like, but didn’t try this. Almost like walking barefoot…but without the grip of bare skin. Juiceless.
Mike Dallin
I always get my climbing shoes resoled with 5.10 sticky rubber. It has to be the most secure feeling climbing shoe rubber I’ve found yet. In fact, I love 5.10’s line of climbing shoes – their Anasazi Moccasyms are my favorite.
My local resoler told me once that the 5.10 rubber is his most popular choice.
As for canyon shoes… I personally like the feel of the 5.10 canyoneer sticky rubber over the exum river, but the difference is so slight as to be a non-issue. The big issue is that the 5.10’s destroy my feet… I don’t know how many toenails I’ve lost, and how many times my arches ached after wearing the 5.10’s. I won’t bother anymore. The Exum River’s feel incredibly comfortable. It’s almost like they used my footprint to create the last for it or something. Wider toe box… nice! No arch issues since switching to them when they came out, either. Nice! My current thinking is to keep using the Exum Rivers for non-squeezy canyons (including Zion, PNW, Colorado, the Swell, Death Valley etc). For the very squeezy ones, places like North Wash, Powell, select areas of the Roost, I’m thinking more of getting cheap tennies that have decent looking tread. I descend these types of canyons less and less anyway, so even if they die in a trip or two, no big loss. My experience in these areas (I’m sure many will disagree) is that downclimbing ability helps significantly more than the rubber on your feet… unless you are wearing dancing shoes or shoes with soles so hard they are like plastic or something.
What I’d really like to try is the Dunlop Volley. I could kick myself for not getting a pair (or a suitcase full) last time I was in Oz. Does anyone know a way to get one here in the states, or know of a company that makes something comparable that is easily available here?
M
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From: beadysee@yahoo.com Subject: [from Canyons Group] Re: Canyoneering Shoes
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, steve mestdagh Ridge?
5.10 are pricey but the rubber is great for technical canyons > (i.e. climbing technical).
I will not buy another pair of the Exum Ridge – the rubber wears > well but very poor friction. Sportiva should know better.
I’d think the sticky rubber would be the same on both the Cirque Pro > and Exum?
I find that typically, while the 5.10 C4 rubber is maybe stickier, I > climb better in the Sportiva shoes. The Exum has been my A list > shoe for several years now. Showing that perhaps, Sportiva does > indeed know better.
Had only a couple 5.10 shoes. Between the fit and durability, never > had as much confidence in them. My bet is its hit or miss (like any > shoe).
When I get climbing shoes resoled, its almost always 5.10 rubber. > Never wears as well, but, does seem stickier. Anyone have a current > favorite climbing shoe resole rubber?
Wearin’ the B5 right now. Doin’ ok once I reglued the red rubber > chevrons on the bottom (ugh). Office shoe. Would work ok for > approaches, methinks.
-Brian in SLC
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