Thanks for the heads-up on the air-conditioning section in Cassidy – good to know!
As for Ferns Nipple, I haven’t done it yet, though it’s on my radar. The morning of Cassidy, we were actually torn over whether to do it or the Nipple. We were in a canyoneering mindset, so up the trail we went!
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Malia” wrote:
Sweet! Thanks for the TR on Cassidy Canyon. Glad to hear there’s no trash to speak of (or webbing at the entry rap). That spot below the dihedral downclimb, as you called it, is fabulous in hot weather. There’s a narrow crack in the wall to the West or upcanyon which acts as a natural air-conditioning unit. If I’m not mistaken, you hike/climb a lot of sandstone peaks… you should hike the Fern’s Nipple route to the south of Cassidy Canyon next time you’re there (if you haven’t already). The views of Cassidy arch and canyon are incredible. > -Malia
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Oh yeah, the trail to Cassidy Arch is officially closed right now due to a rock slide. The visitor center ranger said it would be clsoed “a long time.”
That said, the rock slide only covers about 6 feet of trail. It’s an easy walk-over.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
After a wonderful romp through Pandora’s on Saturday (as one in a party of 10), DB and I passed through Cassidy Arch Canyon yesterday. With high winds and chilly temps initially, we found ourselves the only ones on the trail.
Making the initial drop in next to the arch smoothly, we soon came to nasty winds and blowing ropes at the next drop. A couple minor problems there, but nothing we weren’t able to solve.
Down-canyon, we found ourselves out of the wind and really enjoying this nice, little canyon. After meating DB down a particular drop, I did the fun downclimb out of a slot and into a small chamber above an 8-foot dihedral downclimb. Fun.
Before we knew it, we had done the last of the 3 arch rappels and then walked across the slab to the final rappel above the bridge. All too soon, we were back at the road.
Dumping our gear off at the car, I jogged back up to the arch to collect our webbing and ring. Headed back down, and then made the 5 hour drive back to Vegas.
Another nice weekend out and about.
PS: No trash to speak of in the canyon.
> — In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
No problem.
Let us know how things are when you go.
The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route.
Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage.
Sweet! Thanks for the TR on Cassidy Canyon. Glad to hear there’s no trash to speak of (or webbing at the entry rap). That spot below the dihedral downclimb, as you called it, is fabulous in hot weather. There’s a narrow crack in the wall to the West or upcanyon which acts as a natural air-conditioning unit. If I’m not mistaken, you hike/climb a lot of sandstone peaks… you should hike the Fern’s Nipple route to the south of Cassidy Canyon next time you’re there (if you haven’t already). The views of Cassidy arch and canyon are incredible. -Malia
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Oh yeah, the trail to Cassidy Arch is officially closed right now due to a rock slide. The visitor center ranger said it would be clsoed “a long time.”
That said, the rock slide only covers about 6 feet of trail. It’s an easy walk-over.
> — In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
After a wonderful romp through Pandora’s on Saturday (as one in a party of 10), DB and I passed through Cassidy Arch Canyon yesterday. With high winds and chilly temps initially, we found ourselves the only ones on the trail.
Making the initial drop in next to the arch smoothly, we soon came to nasty winds and blowing ropes at the next drop. A couple minor problems there, but nothing we weren’t able to solve.
Down-canyon, we found ourselves out of the wind and really enjoying this nice, little canyon. After meating DB down a particular drop, I did the fun downclimb out of a slot and into a small chamber above an 8-foot dihedral downclimb. Fun.
Before we knew it, we had done the last of the 3 arch rappels and then walked across the slab to the final rappel above the bridge. All too soon, we were back at the road.
Dumping our gear off at the car, I jogged back up to the arch to collect our webbing and ring. Headed back down, and then made the 5 hour drive back to Vegas.
Another nice weekend out and about.
PS: No trash to speak of in the canyon.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
No problem.
> Let us know how things are when you go.
> The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route.
> Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage.
Thanks for the report Courtney. It’s good to hear that the trash situation is still under control… Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Oh yeah, the trail to Cassidy Arch is officially closed right now due to a rock slide. The visitor center ranger said it would be clsoed “a long time.”
That said, the rock slide only covers about 6 feet of trail. It’s an easy walk-over.
> — In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
After a wonderful romp through Pandora’s on Saturday (as one in a party of 10), DB and I passed through Cassidy Arch Canyon yesterday. With high winds and chilly temps initially, we found ourselves the only ones on the trail.
Making the initial drop in next to the arch smoothly, we soon came to nasty winds and blowing ropes at the next drop. A couple minor problems there, but nothing we weren’t able to solve.
Down-canyon, we found ourselves out of the wind and really enjoying this nice, little canyon. After meating DB down a particular drop, I did the fun downclimb out of a slot and into a small chamber above an 8-foot dihedral downclimb. Fun.
Before we knew it, we had done the last of the 3 arch rappels and then walked across the slab to the final rappel above the bridge. All too soon, we were back at the road.
Dumping our gear off at the car, I jogged back up to the arch to collect our webbing and ring. Headed back down, and then made the 5 hour drive back to Vegas.
Another nice weekend out and about.
PS: No trash to speak of in the canyon.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
No problem.
> Let us know how things are when you go.
> The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route.
> Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage.
Oh yeah, the trail to Cassidy Arch is officially closed right now due to a rock slide. The visitor center ranger said it would be clsoed “a long time.”
That said, the rock slide only covers about 6 feet of trail. It’s an easy walk-over.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
After a wonderful romp through Pandora’s on Saturday (as one in a party of 10), DB and I passed through Cassidy Arch Canyon yesterday. With high winds and chilly temps initially, we found ourselves the only ones on the trail.
Making the initial drop in next to the arch smoothly, we soon came to nasty winds and blowing ropes at the next drop. A couple minor problems there, but nothing we weren’t able to solve.
Down-canyon, we found ourselves out of the wind and really enjoying this nice, little canyon. After meating DB down a particular drop, I did the fun downclimb out of a slot and into a small chamber above an 8-foot dihedral downclimb. Fun.
Before we knew it, we had done the last of the 3 arch rappels and then walked across the slab to the final rappel above the bridge. All too soon, we were back at the road.
Dumping our gear off at the car, I jogged back up to the arch to collect our webbing and ring. Headed back down, and then made the 5 hour drive back to Vegas.
Another nice weekend out and about.
PS: No trash to speak of in the canyon.
> — In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
No problem.
Let us know how things are when you go.
The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route.
Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage.
After a wonderful romp through Pandora’s on Saturday (as one in a party of 10), DB and I passed through Cassidy Arch Canyon yesterday. With high winds and chilly temps initially, we found ourselves the only ones on the trail.
Making the initial drop in next to the arch smoothly, we soon came to nasty winds and blowing ropes at the next drop. A couple minor problems there, but nothing we weren’t able to solve.
Down-canyon, we found ourselves out of the wind and really enjoying this nice, little canyon. After meating DB down a particular drop, I did the fun downclimb out of a slot and into a small chamber above an 8-foot dihedral downclimb. Fun.
Before we knew it, we had done the last of the 3 arch rappels and then walked across the slab to the final rappel above the bridge. All too soon, we were back at the road.
Dumping our gear off at the car, I jogged back up to the arch to collect our webbing and ring. Headed back down, and then made the 5 hour drive back to Vegas.
Another nice weekend out and about.
PS: No trash to speak of in the canyon.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
No problem. > Let us know how things are when you go. > The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route. > Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage. > Dave
Thanks to everyone on the responses…another oxymoron vanquished.
Is ghosting the expected practice when canyoneering or is it > primarily used when the anchor is visible to the general public? > Kuenn >
Certainly it is a good idea to leave as few anchors as possible visible to the “general public”.
More generally, slingage left in canyons is “litter” and should be minimized when possible. On the other side of the equation, canyons that are popular, or will be popular, “should” have visible, established anchors so that A. anchors do not need to be rebuilt for each descent, and B. less-experienced people doing the canyon will make “safe” anchor choices.
When doing first(ish) descents, it is “nice” to leave nothing behind. Using ghosting in obscure canyons makes it possible for more than one party to do firstish descents.
Ghosting techniques also allow the use of anchors that otherwise would be difficult to use (especially slick-type devices that do not require pulling the rope through). Ghosting techniques can be used to minimize rope grooves, which “should” also be considered litter.
Thanks to everyone on the responses…another oxymoron vanquished.
Is ghosting the expected practice when canyoneering or is it primarily used when the anchor is visible to the general public? Kuenn
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
Excellent Tom! > That’s exactly what I was talking about… > It’s easy enough for the “average” canyoneer and works well in many situations. > Thanks for writing that up. > Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Tom Jones” wrote:
I’m amazed that the simplest, safest and most reliable “retrievable anchor” solution gets no play – so I wrote it up:
This really is a great, simple system, though it still has a tendency to create significant rope grooves (unlike the macrame or omnisling).
I would add that you don’t necessarily need to tie the webbing in a large loop. You can just tie overhand knots at each end of a single strand of webbing and thread your rapides into the bights. This version allows you to set up the same system with only half the webbing length required. This is nice when your anchor is far away from the rappel start or when your anchor is very large in circumference. This more efficient use of webbing can also help you to place the rapides much closer to, and preferably, over the edge (only for the last person) thereby greatly reducing rope grooves.
That has been my favorite retrievable for quite some time. I prefer it over the macrame or Omnisling because if your anchor “sticks” you only lose a little webbing, a couple of rings and your anchor’s pull cord.
Excellent Tom! That’s exactly what I was talking about… It’s easy enough for the “average” canyoneer and works well in many situations. Thanks for writing that up. Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Tom Jones” wrote:
I’m amazed that the simplest, safest and most reliable “retrievable anchor” solution gets no play – so I wrote it up:
> Okay, “retrievable anchor”…another one of those locutions that > produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, but I > get the general idea; don’t leave the webbing. Being new to the > sport and not familiar with this particular technique could someone > explain or possibly point me to the “how to”?
Kuenn
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote: >
> No problem. >> Let us know how things are when you go. >> The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average >> tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent >> anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not >> be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route. >> Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean- >> up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how >> many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage. >> Dave
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Okay, “retrievable anchor”…another one of those locutions that produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, but I get the general idea; don’t leave the webbing. Being new to the sport and not familiar with this particular technique could someone explain or possibly point me to the “how to”?
Kuenn
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
No problem. > Let us know how things are when you go. > The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route. > Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage. > Dave
No problem. > Let us know how things are when you go. > The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route. > Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage. > Dave
No problem. Let us know how things are when you go. The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route. Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage. Dave
Courtney
Thanks for the heads-up on the air-conditioning section in Cassidy – good to know!
As for Ferns Nipple, I haven’t done it yet, though it’s on my radar. The morning of Cassidy, we were actually torn over whether to do it or the Nipple. We were in a canyoneering mindset, so up the trail we went!
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Malia” wrote:
Sweet! Thanks for the TR on Cassidy Canyon. Glad to hear there’s no trash to speak of (or webbing at the entry rap). That spot below the dihedral downclimb, as you called it, is fabulous in hot weather. There’s a narrow crack in the wall to the West or upcanyon which acts as a natural air-conditioning unit. If I’m not mistaken, you hike/climb a lot of sandstone peaks… you should hike the Fern’s Nipple route to the south of Cassidy Canyon next time you’re there (if you haven’t already). The views of Cassidy arch and canyon are incredible. > -Malia
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Oh yeah, the trail to Cassidy Arch is officially closed right now due to a rock slide. The visitor center ranger said it would be clsoed “a long time.”
That said, the rock slide only covers about 6 feet of trail. It’s an easy walk-over.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
After a wonderful romp through Pandora’s on Saturday (as one in a party of 10), DB and I passed through Cassidy Arch Canyon yesterday. With high winds and chilly temps initially, we found ourselves the only ones on the trail.
Making the initial drop in next to the arch smoothly, we soon came to nasty winds and blowing ropes at the next drop. A couple minor problems there, but nothing we weren’t able to solve.
Down-canyon, we found ourselves out of the wind and really enjoying this nice, little canyon. After meating DB down a particular drop, I did the fun downclimb out of a slot and into a small chamber above an 8-foot dihedral downclimb. Fun.
Before we knew it, we had done the last of the 3 arch rappels and then walked across the slab to the final rappel above the bridge. All too soon, we were back at the road.
Dumping our gear off at the car, I jogged back up to the arch to collect our webbing and ring. Headed back down, and then made the 5 hour drive back to Vegas.
Another nice weekend out and about.
PS: No trash to speak of in the canyon.
> — In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
No problem.
Let us know how things are when you go.
The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route.
Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage.
Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Thanks Dave. Precisely what I was looking for!
> — In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
Malia posted that a while back.
Check here courtney…
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/message/35981
> Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Can anyone tell me the length of the various raps in this canyon?
Malia
Sweet! Thanks for the TR on Cassidy Canyon. Glad to hear there’s no trash to speak of (or webbing at the entry rap). That spot below the dihedral downclimb, as you called it, is fabulous in hot weather. There’s a narrow crack in the wall to the West or upcanyon which acts as a natural air-conditioning unit. If I’m not mistaken, you hike/climb a lot of sandstone peaks… you should hike the Fern’s Nipple route to the south of Cassidy Canyon next time you’re there (if you haven’t already). The views of Cassidy arch and canyon are incredible. -Malia
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Oh yeah, the trail to Cassidy Arch is officially closed right now due to a rock slide. The visitor center ranger said it would be clsoed “a long time.”
That said, the rock slide only covers about 6 feet of trail. It’s an easy walk-over.
> — In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
After a wonderful romp through Pandora’s on Saturday (as one in a party of 10), DB and I passed through Cassidy Arch Canyon yesterday. With high winds and chilly temps initially, we found ourselves the only ones on the trail.
Making the initial drop in next to the arch smoothly, we soon came to nasty winds and blowing ropes at the next drop. A couple minor problems there, but nothing we weren’t able to solve.
Down-canyon, we found ourselves out of the wind and really enjoying this nice, little canyon. After meating DB down a particular drop, I did the fun downclimb out of a slot and into a small chamber above an 8-foot dihedral downclimb. Fun.
Before we knew it, we had done the last of the 3 arch rappels and then walked across the slab to the final rappel above the bridge. All too soon, we were back at the road.
Dumping our gear off at the car, I jogged back up to the arch to collect our webbing and ring. Headed back down, and then made the 5 hour drive back to Vegas.
Another nice weekend out and about.
PS: No trash to speak of in the canyon.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
No problem.
> Let us know how things are when you go.
> The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route.
> Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage.
> Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Thanks Dave. Precisely what I was looking for!
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
Malia posted that a while back.
> Check here courtney…
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/message/35981
Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Can anyone tell me the length of the various raps in this canyon?
>
davewyo1
Thanks for the report Courtney. It’s good to hear that the trash situation is still under control… Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Oh yeah, the trail to Cassidy Arch is officially closed right now due to a rock slide. The visitor center ranger said it would be clsoed “a long time.”
That said, the rock slide only covers about 6 feet of trail. It’s an easy walk-over.
> — In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
After a wonderful romp through Pandora’s on Saturday (as one in a party of 10), DB and I passed through Cassidy Arch Canyon yesterday. With high winds and chilly temps initially, we found ourselves the only ones on the trail.
Making the initial drop in next to the arch smoothly, we soon came to nasty winds and blowing ropes at the next drop. A couple minor problems there, but nothing we weren’t able to solve.
Down-canyon, we found ourselves out of the wind and really enjoying this nice, little canyon. After meating DB down a particular drop, I did the fun downclimb out of a slot and into a small chamber above an 8-foot dihedral downclimb. Fun.
Before we knew it, we had done the last of the 3 arch rappels and then walked across the slab to the final rappel above the bridge. All too soon, we were back at the road.
Dumping our gear off at the car, I jogged back up to the arch to collect our webbing and ring. Headed back down, and then made the 5 hour drive back to Vegas.
Another nice weekend out and about.
PS: No trash to speak of in the canyon.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
No problem.
> Let us know how things are when you go.
> The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route.
> Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage.
> Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Thanks Dave. Precisely what I was looking for!
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
Malia posted that a while back.
> Check here courtney…
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/message/35981
Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Can anyone tell me the length of the various raps in this canyon?
>
Courtney
Oh yeah, the trail to Cassidy Arch is officially closed right now due to a rock slide. The visitor center ranger said it would be clsoed “a long time.”
That said, the rock slide only covers about 6 feet of trail. It’s an easy walk-over.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
After a wonderful romp through Pandora’s on Saturday (as one in a party of 10), DB and I passed through Cassidy Arch Canyon yesterday. With high winds and chilly temps initially, we found ourselves the only ones on the trail.
Making the initial drop in next to the arch smoothly, we soon came to nasty winds and blowing ropes at the next drop. A couple minor problems there, but nothing we weren’t able to solve.
Down-canyon, we found ourselves out of the wind and really enjoying this nice, little canyon. After meating DB down a particular drop, I did the fun downclimb out of a slot and into a small chamber above an 8-foot dihedral downclimb. Fun.
Before we knew it, we had done the last of the 3 arch rappels and then walked across the slab to the final rappel above the bridge. All too soon, we were back at the road.
Dumping our gear off at the car, I jogged back up to the arch to collect our webbing and ring. Headed back down, and then made the 5 hour drive back to Vegas.
Another nice weekend out and about.
PS: No trash to speak of in the canyon.
> — In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
No problem.
Let us know how things are when you go.
The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route.
Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage.
Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Thanks Dave. Precisely what I was looking for!
> — In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
Malia posted that a while back.
Check here courtney…
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/message/35981
> Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Can anyone tell me the length of the various raps in this canyon?
>
Courtney
After a wonderful romp through Pandora’s on Saturday (as one in a party of 10), DB and I passed through Cassidy Arch Canyon yesterday. With high winds and chilly temps initially, we found ourselves the only ones on the trail.
Making the initial drop in next to the arch smoothly, we soon came to nasty winds and blowing ropes at the next drop. A couple minor problems there, but nothing we weren’t able to solve.
Down-canyon, we found ourselves out of the wind and really enjoying this nice, little canyon. After meating DB down a particular drop, I did the fun downclimb out of a slot and into a small chamber above an 8-foot dihedral downclimb. Fun.
Before we knew it, we had done the last of the 3 arch rappels and then walked across the slab to the final rappel above the bridge. All too soon, we were back at the road.
Dumping our gear off at the car, I jogged back up to the arch to collect our webbing and ring. Headed back down, and then made the 5 hour drive back to Vegas.
Another nice weekend out and about.
PS: No trash to speak of in the canyon.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
No problem. > Let us know how things are when you go. > The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route. > Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage. > Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Thanks Dave. Precisely what I was looking for!
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
Malia posted that a while back.
> Check here courtney…
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/message/35981
Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Can anyone tell me the length of the various raps in this canyon?
Tom Jones
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “kuenn@…” wrote:
Thanks to everyone on the responses…another oxymoron vanquished.
Is ghosting the expected practice when canyoneering or is it > primarily used when the anchor is visible to the general public? > Kuenn >
Certainly it is a good idea to leave as few anchors as possible visible to the “general public”.
More generally, slingage left in canyons is “litter” and should be minimized when possible. On the other side of the equation, canyons that are popular, or will be popular, “should” have visible, established anchors so that A. anchors do not need to be rebuilt for each descent, and B. less-experienced people doing the canyon will make “safe” anchor choices.
When doing first(ish) descents, it is “nice” to leave nothing behind. Using ghosting in obscure canyons makes it possible for more than one party to do firstish descents.
Ghosting techniques also allow the use of anchors that otherwise would be difficult to use (especially slick-type devices that do not require pulling the rope through). Ghosting techniques can be used to minimize rope grooves, which “should” also be considered litter.
Tom
kuenn@bellsouth.net
Thanks to everyone on the responses…another oxymoron vanquished.
Is ghosting the expected practice when canyoneering or is it primarily used when the anchor is visible to the general public? Kuenn
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Excellent Tom! > That’s exactly what I was talking about… > It’s easy enough for the “average” canyoneer and works well in many situations. > Thanks for writing that up. > Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Tom Jones” wrote:
I’m amazed that the simplest, safest and most reliable “retrievable anchor” solution gets no play – so I wrote it up:
http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/cusapress/knots/retree/index.php
> Tom
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
Here is a very easy example.
> It requires you carry some extra pullcord.
> http://tinyurl.com/cthlbx
cave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, stefan wrote:
a couple of examples:
http://tinyurl.com/c8jvkw
> http://www.deserthighlights.com/the-slick/the-slick.htm
> http://www.canyonwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Janus_Anchor
> stefan
On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, kuenn@ wrote:
> Okay, “retrievable anchor”…another one of those locutions that
> produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, but I
> get the general idea; don’t leave the webbing. Being new to the
> sport and not familiar with this particular technique could someone
> explain or possibly point me to the “how to”?
Kuenn
>
moabmatt
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Tom Jones” wrote:
I’m amazed that the simplest, safest and most reliable “retrievable anchor” solution gets no play – so I wrote it up:
http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/cusapress/knots/retree/index.php
> Tom
This really is a great, simple system, though it still has a tendency to create significant rope grooves (unlike the macrame or omnisling).
I would add that you don’t necessarily need to tie the webbing in a large loop. You can just tie overhand knots at each end of a single strand of webbing and thread your rapides into the bights. This version allows you to set up the same system with only half the webbing length required. This is nice when your anchor is far away from the rappel start or when your anchor is very large in circumference. This more efficient use of webbing can also help you to place the rapides much closer to, and preferably, over the edge (only for the last person) thereby greatly reducing rope grooves.
Bill Westerhoff
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Tom Jones” wrote:
I’m amazed that the simplest, safest and most reliable “retrievable anchor” solution gets no play – so I wrote it up:
http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/cusapress/knots/retree/index.php
> Tom >
That has been my favorite retrievable for quite some time. I prefer it over the macrame or Omnisling because if your anchor “sticks” you only lose a little webbing, a couple of rings and your anchor’s pull cord.
davewyo1
Excellent Tom! That’s exactly what I was talking about… It’s easy enough for the “average” canyoneer and works well in many situations. Thanks for writing that up. Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Tom Jones” wrote:
I’m amazed that the simplest, safest and most reliable “retrievable anchor” solution gets no play – so I wrote it up:
http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/cusapress/knots/retree/index.php
> Tom
> — In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
Here is a very easy example.
It requires you carry some extra pullcord.
http://tinyurl.com/cthlbx
> cave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, stefan wrote:
a couple of examples:
http://tinyurl.com/c8jvkw
> http://www.deserthighlights.com/the-slick/the-slick.htm
> http://www.canyonwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Janus_Anchor
stefan
On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, kuenn@ wrote:
> Okay, “retrievable anchor”…another one of those locutions that
produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, but I
get the general idea; don’t leave the webbing. Being new to the
sport and not familiar with this particular technique could someone
explain or possibly point me to the “how to”?
Kuenn
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
>> No problem.
> Let us know how things are when you go.
> The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average
> tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent
> anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not
> be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route.
> Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-
> up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how
> many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage.
> Dave
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I’m amazed that the simplest, safest and most reliable “retrievable anchor” solution gets no play – so I wrote it up:
http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/cusapress/knots/retree/index.php
Tom
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
Here is a very easy example. > It requires you carry some extra pullcord. > http://tinyurl.com/cthlbx
cave
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a couple of examples:
http://tinyurl.com/c8jvkw
> http://www.deserthighlights.com/the-slick/the-slick.htm
> http://www.canyonwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Janus_Anchor
> stefan
On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, kuenn@ wrote:
> Okay, “retrievable anchor”…another one of those locutions that
> produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, but I
> get the general idea; don’t leave the webbing. Being new to the
> sport and not familiar with this particular technique could someone
> explain or possibly point me to the “how to”?
Kuenn
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>
> No problem.
>> Let us know how things are when you go.
>> The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average
>> tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent
>> anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not
>> be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route.
>> Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-
>> up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how
>> many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage.
>> Dave
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Sorry about that link. Just click on #5.1 “Getting the sling back with two rapides.” http://tinyurl.com/cthlbx
Dave
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Here is a very easy example. > It requires you carry some extra pullcord. > http://tinyurl.com/cthlbx
cave
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a couple of examples:
http://tinyurl.com/c8jvkw
> http://www.deserthighlights.com/the-slick/the-slick.htm
> http://www.canyonwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Janus_Anchor
> stefan
On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, kuenn@ wrote:
> Okay, “retrievable anchor”…another one of those locutions that
> produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, but I
> get the general idea; don’t leave the webbing. Being new to the
> sport and not familiar with this particular technique could someone
> explain or possibly point me to the “how to”?
Kuenn
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>
> No problem.
>> Let us know how things are when you go.
>> The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average
>> tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent
>> anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not
>> be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route.
>> Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-
>> up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how
>> many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage.
>> Dave
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Here is a very easy example. It requires you carry some extra pullcord. http://tinyurl.com/cthlbx cave
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a couple of examples:
http://tinyurl.com/c8jvkw
> http://www.deserthighlights.com/the-slick/the-slick.htm
> http://www.canyonwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Janus_Anchor
stefan
On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, kuenn@… wrote:
> Okay, “retrievable anchor”…another one of those locutions that
produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, but I
get the general idea; don’t leave the webbing. Being new to the
sport and not familiar with this particular technique could someone
explain or possibly point me to the “how to”?
Kuenn
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
>> No problem.
> Let us know how things are when you go.
> The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average
> tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent
> anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not
> be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route.
> Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-
> up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how
> many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage.
> Dave
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a couple of examples:
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http://www.deserthighlights.com/the-slick/the-slick.htm
http://www.canyonwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Janus_Anchor
stefan
On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, kuenn@bellsouth.net wrote:
> Okay, “retrievable anchor”…another one of those locutions that > produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, but I > get the general idea; don’t leave the webbing. Being new to the > sport and not familiar with this particular technique could someone > explain or possibly point me to the “how to”?
Kuenn
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> No problem. >> Let us know how things are when you go. >> The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average >> tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent >> anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not >> be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route. >> Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean- >> up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how >> many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage. >> Dave
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Okay, “retrievable anchor”…another one of those locutions that produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, but I get the general idea; don’t leave the webbing. Being new to the sport and not familiar with this particular technique could someone explain or possibly point me to the “how to”?
Kuenn
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
No problem. > Let us know how things are when you go. > The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route. > Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage. > Dave
Courtney
Will do. Thanks again!
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
No problem. > Let us know how things are when you go. > The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route. > Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage. > Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Thanks Dave. Precisely what I was looking for!
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
Malia posted that a while back.
> Check here courtney…
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/message/35981
Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Can anyone tell me the length of the various raps in this canyon?
davewyo1
No problem. Let us know how things are when you go. The suggested retrievable anchor at the top is to keep the average tourist/hiker from having to look at the webbing and to prevent anyone from getting “crazy ideas”. That way the NPS will not be(eventually)offended by some folks canyoneering the route. Let us know what the trash situation is too. Malia did a HUGE clean-up project a while back and it would be interesting to know how many water bottles and such have wound up in the drainage. Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Thanks Dave. Precisely what I was looking for!
> — In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
Malia posted that a while back.
Check here courtney…
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/message/35981
> Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Can anyone tell me the length of the various raps in this canyon?
Courtney
Thanks Dave. Precisely what I was looking for!
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Malia posted that a while back. > Check here courtney… > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/message/35981
Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Can anyone tell me the length of the various raps in this canyon?
>
davewyo1
Malia posted that a while back. Check here courtney… http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/message/35981 Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Courtney” wrote:
Can anyone tell me the length of the various raps in this canyon? >