The weather forecast looks extremely risky for any slot canyon this weekend:
“I know of 3 groups heading down this weekend. Enjoy these classics and be safe.”
Yahoo Canyons Group
The weather forecast looks extremely risky for any slot canyon this weekend:
“I know of 3 groups heading down this weekend. Enjoy these classics and be safe.”
davewyo1
Today was a wonderful day to be in the Egypt slots. Temps were great and the wind was non-existent. The Hole in the Rock Road from pavement to the turn-off to Egypt Bench is excellent. The road from HITR to Egypt Bench is rutted-up a bit but is not completely terrible. We also went down nearly as far as Davis Gulch while accidently missing the turn-off to Willow Gulch, the other day. The road is fairly bumpy in Kane County, as it was last year, but the washboard seems to have diminished.
Dave
adkramoo
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “adkramoo” wrote: Over a foot of snow in Escalante town proper. Rick headed down the3 Hole in the Rock looking for the stranded. Reports from elsewhere?
bruce silliman
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Tom Jones” wrote:
When the weatherman reports “precip”, that means the water content of > the snow, not the inches of snow.
The water equivalent of snow to liquid is about 10-11 inches snow = 1 inch of water for the southern portion of Utah. May be different in the northern parts. Due to the close proximity to the Pacific Ocean the water equvilency in California is probably 9-10 inches.
bruce from bryce
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bruce silliman
2″ in my backyard and no sign of letting up and I live on the east side near Boulder Station. West side and Summrlin probably has close to a foot of snow. I left Bryce so I wouldn’t have to live through another snowy winter. Bah humbug!
bruce from bryce
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:25 PM, adkramoo adkramoo@aol.com> wrote:
> — In Yahoo Canyons Group , j b > wrote:
I don’t know what the difference is between Bullfrog Basin and > Bullfrog Marina is, but the Basin got .44 inches yesterday while the > marina had .18 inches, according to national weather service in the > link below.
Yes, they had pictures. Looked snowy and wet and cold.
Jeff
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/total_forecast/getprod.php?wfo=slc&pil=PNS&sid=SLC&version=0
> Thanks for the other link. Not sure on Basin vs. Marina, but the basin > is 122 feet higher.Not very far apart distance wise is my guess > knowing the lay of the land there. And lookie here at just down the > road from Tom. The far right column is inches of moisture the one left > of it is inches of snow. Thanks agains > R
…SOUTH CENTRAL UTAH… > MOUNT CARMEL JUNCTION 8 PM MON 12.0 > ORDERVILLE 6 PM MON 5.0 > KANAB – 4940 FT 7 PM MON 4.0 > ESCALANTE – 5810 FT 5 PM TUE 4.0 0.20 > ZION NATIONAL PARK – 5741 FT 6 PM TUE 0.17
…GLEN CANYON RECREATION AREA/LAKE POWELL… > BULLFROG BASIN – 3822 FT 5 AM TUE 6.2 0.44 > BIG WATER – 4100 FT 5 AM TUE 5.5 > HITE RS – 4000 FT 5 AM TUE 3.0 > BULLFROG MARINA – 3700 FT 6 PM TUE 0.18
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adkramoo
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, j b wrote: > I don’t know what the difference is between Bullfrog Basin and Bullfrog Marina is, but the Basin got .44 inches yesterday while the marina had .18 inches, according to national weather service in the link below. > Yes, they had pictures. Looked snowy and wet and cold. > Jeff > http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/total_forecast/getprod.php?wfo=slc&pil=PNS&sid=SLC&version=0
Thanks for the other link. Not sure on Basin vs. Marina, but the basin is 122 feet higher.Not very far apart distance wise is my guess knowing the lay of the land there. And lookie here at just down the road from Tom. The far right column is inches of moisture the one left of it is inches of snow. Thanks agains R
…SOUTH CENTRAL UTAH… MOUNT CARMEL JUNCTION 8 PM MON 12.0 ORDERVILLE 6 PM MON 5.0 KANAB – 4940 FT 7 PM MON 4.0 ESCALANTE – 5810 FT 5 PM TUE 4.0 0.20 ZION NATIONAL PARK – 5741 FT 6 PM TUE 0.17
…GLEN CANYON RECREATION AREA/LAKE POWELL… BULLFROG BASIN – 3822 FT 5 AM TUE 6.2 0.44 BIG WATER – 4100 FT 5 AM TUE 5.5 HITE RS – 4000 FT 5 AM TUE 3.0 BULLFROG MARINA – 3700 FT 6 PM TUE 0.18
j b
I don’t know what the difference is between Bullfrog Basin and Bullfrog Marina is, but the Basin got .44 inches yesterday while the marina had .18 inches, according to national weather service in the link below.
Yes, they had pictures. Looked snowy and wet and cold.
Jeff
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/total_forecast/getprod.php?wfo=slc&pil=PNS&sid=SLC&version=0
________________________________ From: adkramoo adkramoo@aol.com> To: Yahoo Canyons Group Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:36:00 AM Subject: Re: [from Canyons Group] Escalante Conditions
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, j b wrote:
TV news said Bullfrog got 7 inches yesterday . . .
Weird. The folks in Hanks said they got about snow on Saturday and a bit Monday. The storm mostly missed north they told me. Lets see what the site says? Ummm. Interesting The news show pictures? Wonder where they measure? http://www.weather.com/outlook/recreation/outdoors/monthly/UTNPGLCABF:13?from=yest_topnav_outdoors
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When the weatherman reports “precip”, that means the water content of the snow, not the inches of snow. The snow came in cold and was quite light – thus a lot of snow inches for not much precip inches.
Tom
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “adkramoo” wrote:
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, j b wrote:
TV news said Bullfrog got 7 inches yesterday . . .
Weird. The folks in Hanks said they got about snow on Saturday and a > bit Monday. The storm mostly missed north they told me. Lets see what > the site says? Ummm. Interesting The news show pictures? Wonder where > they measure? > http://www.weather.com/outlook/recreation/outdoors/monthly/UTNPGLCABF:1 3?from=yest_topnav_outdoors >
adkramoo
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, j b wrote:
TV news said Bullfrog got 7 inches yesterday . . .
Weird. The folks in Hanks said they got about snow on Saturday and a bit Monday. The storm mostly missed north they told me. Lets see what the site says? Ummm. Interesting The news show pictures? Wonder where they measure? http://www.weather.com/outlook/recreation/outdoors/monthly/UTNPGLCABF:13?from=yest_topnav_outdoors
j b
TV news said Bullfrog got 7 inches yesterday . . .
________________________________ From: adkramoo adkramoo@aol.com> To: Yahoo Canyons Group Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:39:49 AM Subject: [from Canyons Group] Escalante Conditions
Wild! The last storm was supposed to drop and inch of snow. They got 6 inches instead in the Town of Escalante. Still 5 inches in town. Storm on the way predicting 3-7 inches. 50 Mile Mountain blanketed in white. Will report later. North Wash still not too badly impacted and on the edge of the coming storm. Report back soon. Temps cold. FREEZEEST MAY LIVE UP TO ITS REPUTATION….Still time and long range forecast is for warm and wet around Christmas. R
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adkramoo
Wild! The last storm was supposed to drop and inch of snow. They got 6 inches instead in the Town of Escalante. Still 5 inches in town. Storm on the way predicting 3-7 inches. 50 Mile Mountain blanketed in white. Will report later. North Wash still not too badly impacted and on the edge of the coming storm. Report back soon. Temps cold. FREEZEEST MAY LIVE UP TO ITS REPUTATION….Still time and long range forecast is for warm and wet around Christmas. R
adkramoo
From Escalante today…About 4 tenths of an inch of rain over the whole day in town and surrounding areas. Rick was in E2 today. He reports that the desert got a nice soaking of the soil down to 3 inches deep and that nothing flowed to his knowledge. R
davewyo1
Glad you got home safe Eric. Nice TR. I’ll be sending out photos, as I can, from the road. See ya back out there soon! It rained mostly all day in North Wash, but not very hard. The precip was nice and steady with occasional lessening and surging every once in a while, but no real major downpours. From what we could see, the area will be damp for a couple/few days but, most likely, drainages didn’t flow. It now seems to be clearing slightly in Green River, but it’s been on- and-off showers since 9am, so it’s not necessarily over. Tomorrow is slated for continued showers in the earlier part of the day, so I’m still hopeful that some of the canyons may fill. Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Eric Godfrey” wrote:
Had my trip cut short due to the weather and my looser > friends canceling last minute for Monday and Tuesday… LAME! Steady rain > from North Wash to SLC, didn’t let up anywhere, the canyons should get a > good soaking… hopefully at least. Here are a few condition reports: > Neon: Tippy top full, the two keepers were swim outs but if water drops they > may turn hard again. Should fill up again this weekend.
Headless Hen – Medium/Low water, one or two swimmers but mostly wades or > dry, the final keeper gave us the most problems, a LONG throw to use a > potshot. We finally did a knee, to shoulder, to fully extended arm stand to > push Dave out the top. Rope grooves between a couple potholes BEFORE any of > the masses have had a chance to do it from Kelsey’s new book.
Raven – High stemming but most was in the shade so the heat wasn’t too much > of an issue. We did the first two silo crossings then dropped into the > canyon and escaped the next couple potholes the traditional way, with > potshot tosses and partner assists rather than stemming over them. Very fun > way to do it. The first two big silos are pretty much required stem-overs, > and the second is pretty serious and exposed… scary.
Upper Clear Creek – Whew, what a long drive! Very fun canyon section > though. Medium/High water, wetsuits recommended for sure even though the > canyon is shallow and it was hot as you are in the water a LOT. Many keeper > pots, many jumps, a few hard escapes with only two of us, fun stuff.
Scorpion East – Shallow upper slot with medium-high stemming in the full > sun. It was very hot! Dave and Penny opted to exit after the first section > as stemming in the full sun for over an hour took its toll. The final slot > from the rim looked similar, not really deep with stemming in the sun, > although it may be better than that if you actually do it. A lot of pay for > the play in my opinion… unless that final slot section we skipped is > REALLY good. We used potshot anchors where the author suggests using a hook > and g-pic. LOTS of sand and tree branches to bury for deadmen. Kelsey says > there is no anchor material but for the creative there is stuff there for > sure. Sandbags worked for us.
Also hiked 40-mile Canyon, WOW, what a special and beautiful place. Highly > recommended!
> >
adkramoo
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “matt brejcha” wrote: > Glad you had a fun trip! Headless can get tricky at low water!!!! Hope > it never sees fixed anchors! A heads up: there is a 5.6 slab exit on > RDC just above the last one or two holes…just in case. You might not > stick at first, but you’ll stick eventually… > -Brejcha
Tony did a bold lead here. Run away! Run away! Of note, at this exit spot is 2 or 3 well worn moki steps. Guessing that 5.6 turns into 5.9 without the help of the ancients 😉 R
matt brejcha
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Eric Godfrey” wrote: > Headless Hen – Medium/Low water, one or two swimmers but mostly wades or > dry, the final keeper gave us the most problems, a LONG throw to use a > potshot. We finally did a knee, to shoulder, to fully extended arm stand to > push Dave out the top. Rope grooves between a couple potholes BEFORE any of > the masses have had a chance to do it from Kelsey’s new book. >
Glad you had a fun trip! Headless can get tricky at low water!!!! Hope it never sees fixed anchors! A heads up: there is a 5.6 slab exit on RDC just above the last one or two holes…just in case. You might not stick at first, but you’ll stick eventually…
Sorry I crapped out this weekend, but the weather did suck…
-Brejcha
Eric Godfrey
Had my trip cut short due to the weather and my looser friends canceling last minute for Monday and Tuesday… LAME! Steady rain from North Wash to SLC, didn’t let up anywhere, the canyons should get a good soaking… hopefully at least. Here are a few condition reports: Neon: Tippy top full, the two keepers were swim outs but if water drops they may turn hard again. Should fill up again this weekend.
Headless Hen – Medium/Low water, one or two swimmers but mostly wades or dry, the final keeper gave us the most problems, a LONG throw to use a potshot. We finally did a knee, to shoulder, to fully extended arm stand to push Dave out the top. Rope grooves between a couple potholes BEFORE any of the masses have had a chance to do it from Kelsey’s new book.
Raven – High stemming but most was in the shade so the heat wasn’t too much of an issue. We did the first two silo crossings then dropped into the canyon and escaped the next couple potholes the traditional way, with potshot tosses and partner assists rather than stemming over them. Very fun way to do it. The first two big silos are pretty much required stem-overs, and the second is pretty serious and exposed… scary.
Upper Clear Creek – Whew, what a long drive! Very fun canyon section though. Medium/High water, wetsuits recommended for sure even though the canyon is shallow and it was hot as you are in the water a LOT. Many keeper pots, many jumps, a few hard escapes with only two of us, fun stuff.
Scorpion East – Shallow upper slot with medium-high stemming in the full sun. It was very hot! Dave and Penny opted to exit after the first section as stemming in the full sun for over an hour took its toll. The final slot from the rim looked similar, not really deep with stemming in the sun, although it may be better than that if you actually do it. A lot of pay for the play in my opinion… unless that final slot section we skipped is REALLY good. We used potshot anchors where the author suggests using a hook and g-pic. LOTS of sand and tree branches to bury for deadmen. Kelsey says there is no anchor material but for the creative there is stuff there for sure. Sandbags worked for us.
Also hiked 40-mile Canyon, WOW, what a special and beautiful place. Highly recommended!
adkramoo
Rick just called…..
As of the 7th, Death Hollow area got over an inch and a half of rain. Rick reports waterfalls everywhere. Every crack was flowing. Three hundred foot falls too. It also rained there on the following couple of days too. Safe to say the Chockstone Alley is tippy top full of water.
The Egypt’s are also full of water. As is the case there, that means lots and lots of mud. He had to hose down all the gear after the trip yesterday. Due to proximity and the amount of water found in the E’s…that and the radar watching that was done…..Safe to say Chop and Neon are full too. The storms looked strong enough that the sand likely shifted in Chop. The impact of the shifting sands? Has Chop gone to dangerous water levels? Won’t know until some goes through and reports back, but be advised that it is quite possible that it did.
Rick also reports substantial flood damage on the Egypt Road. Every little rivulet flowed, causing ruts, meaning slow going and 4WD for sure. The main Hole in the Rock Road is wash boarded, but not otherwise impacted by the rains. Ram
adkramoo
From Rick and Amie. Yesterday Egypt area may have gotten a bit of rain. Last night, 3 new inches of snow on Boulder Mountain Road. All day today, Death Hollow got hit. Down below Early Weed was in the storms sight midday today. The Henry’s are dusted with snow all the way to the desert floor. A break in Escalante right now but reports of heavy rain at 5 PM, followed by steady rain at least until 6, in Vegas and headed Escalante way (?) tonight. Fill, canyons, fill….and then clear for our Memorial Day crowd. R
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, scott patterson wrote:
The weather forecast looks extremely risky for any slot canyon this weekend:
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/forecast/MapClick.php?site=slc&smap=1&textField1=37.77028&textField2=-111.60139
> “I know of 3 groups heading down this weekend. Enjoy these classics and > be safe.”
> >
adkramoo
at 1:45 PM today, Amie in Escalante reported black skies over Hole in the Rock AND Death Hollow. Flurries in town.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, bruce silliman wrote:
> With the low pressure system sitting over the NV-UT the systems are rotating through the area mixed with periods of no precip and partly cloudy skies.
Right now at Bryce we have wet snow falling and the ground is starting to get covered. However the roads remain just wet. Also had one or two thunderstorms.
While it does not look good for warming conditions it appears that the moisture content of the storms may not be enough to add significant water in the canyons.
I’m leaving here shortly for 5 days in that area. May add more wood to my car for the required fire.
bruce from bryce
> From: kesscokim@…: Re: [from Canyons Group] Re: Escalante Conditions
> The weather forecast looks extremely risky for any slot canyon this weekend:http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/forecast/MapClick.php?site=slc&smap=1&textField1=37.77028&textField2=-111.60139“I know of 3 groups heading down this weekend. Enjoy these classics andbe safe.”
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bruce silliman
With the low pressure system sitting over the NV-UT the systems are rotating through the area mixed with periods of no precip and partly cloudy skies.
Right now at Bryce we have wet snow falling and the ground is starting to get covered. However the roads remain just wet. Also had one or two thunderstorms.
While it does not look good for warming conditions it appears that the moisture content of the storms may not be enough to add significant water in the canyons.
I’m leaving here shortly for 5 days in that area. May add more wood to my car for the required fire.
bruce from bryce
From: kesscokim@yahoo.comSubject: Re: [from Canyons Group] Re: Escalante Conditions
The weather forecast looks extremely risky for any slot canyon this weekend:http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/forecast/MapClick.php?site=slc&smap=1&textField1=37.77028&textField2=-111.60139“I know of 3 groups heading down this weekend. Enjoy these classics andbe safe.”
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