I emailed Bluewater asking for the specs for the Canyon Pro rope. Here is an excerpt from the email I got back:===8mm diameter5000 lbf tensile100% Spectra core100% Poyester sheathWeight per 200 ft.= 5.75 lbsThe Spectra core does not absorb water so the rope will remain light. This rope buoyancy is neutral. The sheath comprises 57% by weight and 56% by total yarn denier. Retail price is expensive @ $1.09/ft. due to the Spectra core.=====
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— In canyons@y…, “ratagonia” wrote: > You are comparing apples and potatoes here.
Both can make for a fine pie…
> The Titan cord is a high strength accessory cord primarily designed > for slinging chocks for American traditional-style climbing. The > talk about the core not “abrading itself” is because the first high- > strength accessory cord used kevlar as the core fibers, and when used for rappelling, the core strands cut each other into a fine dust > after not too long.
The 7mm stuff? Hmmm…
> You CAN use Titan cord for rapping, but you probably would not like > it. The sheath is quite thin (by rope standards) and it would get > dinged up and core-shot quickly.
I have some Titan cord in 5.5mm. Sheath is thin, uhh, but so is the cord. I’ve never seen 7mm Titan cord so couldn’t judge the sheath thickness.
The 5.5 is too small for a Wild Country ropeman and difficult to get a prussic to set on (or autoblock, etc etc).
Stuff is burley strong. 5.5mm Titan is stronger than 7mm nylon. I’d take Titan 7mm over BD 8mm trailine any day…
Anyone know how thick 7mm Titan sheath is?
Stuff is mondo expensivo….
Anyone (Chaz?) know what the primary user/use of 7mm Titan is? Can’t be for slinging chocks…
Brian in SLC
ratagonia
You are comparing apples and potatoes here.
The Titan cord is a high strength accessory cord primarily designed for slinging chocks for American traditional-style climbing. The talk about the core not “abrading itself” is because the first high- strength accessory cord used kevlar as the core fibers, and when used for rappelling, the core strands cut each other into a fine dust after not too long.
You CAN use Titan cord for rapping, but you probably would not like it. The sheath is quite thin (by rope standards) and it would get dinged up and core-shot quickly.
Probably. Your Mileage May Vary.
Tom
— In canyons@y…, “Michele Angileri” wrote: > —– Original Message —– > From: “Christopher Jain” I emailed Bluewater asking for the specs for the Canyon Pro rope. Here is > an excerpt from the email I got back:===8mm diameter5000 lbf tensile100% > Spectra core100% Poyester sheathWeight per 200 ft.= 5.75 lbsThe Spectra core > does not absorb water so the rope will remain light. This rope buoyancy is > neutral. The sheath comprises 57% by weight and 56% by total yarn denier. > Retail price is expensive @ $1.09/ft. due to the Spectra core.=====
> I downloaded Blue Water catalog (from website), but there’s no Canyon Pro > rope … Is it out of production?
I found “Titan 7mm” instead, very very interesting … Titan is made of > Spectra and nylon, and here’s what they say about: > ************************* > Tensile Strength: 26 kN (5750 lbf) > Weight per Meter: 36 g > UIAA Certified (test G-1) (does someone know what is this test? any URL > about it?) > It does not lose significant strength with repetitive flexing like other > lower cost “high performance” fibers. Spectra offers a huge increase in > abrasion resistance over the core material used in similar cords > **************************
I feel attracted by its low weight, the strength (IMHO much more than we > need, don’t forget we rappel on double ropes) and the declared “huge > increase in abrasion resistance” which IMHO is a main feature of good canyon > ropes. I don’t understand how core can increase abration resistance (a work > usually made by sheath) however.
> “Titan” might be better then “Canyon Pro” … lighter and stronger!
Now the question is: how can a canyoneer from Italy buy Titan (or Canyon > Pro)? In Europe are sold european ropes … If you know an online store > selling Blue Water Titan or Canyon ropes please tell me.
> Michele
Charly Oliver
BlueWater has only just introduced the Canyon Pro rope this summer. They have not yet had time to get it onto their web site or into their catalog.
Charly —–Original Message—– From: Christopher Jain [mailto:cjain1000@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 2:13 PM To: Yahoo Canyons Group Cc: scott@bluewaterropes.com Subject: Re: [from Canyons Group] Re: GEAR: Bluewater Canyon Pro rope specs
I emailed Bluewater asking about the Canyon Pro rope because it wasn’t on their web page either. Apparently they will be updating their web site to include the Canyon Pro web site some time soon. I imagine it is the same deal with the catalog.
Michele Angileri wrote:—– Original Message —– From: “Christopher Jain”
> I emailed Bluewater asking for the specs for the Canyon Pro rope. Here is an excerpt from the email I got back:===8mm diameter5000 lbf tensile100% Spectra core100% Poyester sheathWeight per 200 ft.= 5.75 lbsThe Spectra core does not absorb water so the rope will remain light. This rope buoyancy is neutral. The sheath comprises 57% by weight and 56% by total yarn denier. Retail price is expensive @ $1.09/ft. due to the Spectra core.=====
I downloaded Blue Water catalog (from website), but there’s no Canyon Pro rope … Is it out of production?
I found “Titan 7mm” instead, very very interesting … Titan is made of Spectra and nylon, and here’s what they say about: ************************* Tensile Strength: 26 kN (5750 lbf) Weight per Meter: 36 g UIAA Certified (test G-1) (does someone know what is this test? any URL about it?) It does not lose significant strength with repetitive flexing like other lower cost “high performance” fibers. Spectra offers a huge increase in abrasion resistance over the core material used in similar cords **************************
I feel attracted by its low weight, the strength (IMHO much more than we need, don’t forget we rappel on double ropes) and the declared “huge increase in abrasion resistance” which IMHO is a main feature of good canyon ropes. I don’t understand how core can increase abration resistance (a work usually made by sheath) however.
“Titan” might be better then “Canyon Pro” … lighter and stronger!
Now the question is: how can a canyoneer from Italy buy Titan (or Canyon Pro)? In Europe are sold european ropes … If you know an online store selling Blue Water Titan or Canyon ropes please tell me.
Michele
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When you post, please change the Subject appropriately, to make reading and searching easier. You can use the following abbreviations: TRIP = Trip Report; BETA = Canyon Beta; PARTNER = Partner and/or Rides; ETHICS = Ethics; TECH = Technical Questions and Tips; BIZ = E Group Business; SALE = Stuff for Sale. Please use a Tilde ~ after the abbreviation, so we know you are coding for us, such as:
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I emailed Bluewater asking about the Canyon Pro rope because it wasn’t on their web page either. Apparently they will be updating their web site to include the Canyon Pro web site some time soon. I imagine it is the same deal with the catalog.
Michele Angileri wrote:—– Original Message —– From: “Christopher Jain”
> I emailed Bluewater asking for the specs for the Canyon Pro rope. Here is an excerpt from the email I got back:===8mm diameter5000 lbf tensile100% Spectra core100% Poyester sheathWeight per 200 ft.= 5.75 lbsThe Spectra core does not absorb water so the rope will remain light. This rope buoyancy is neutral. The sheath comprises 57% by weight and 56% by total yarn denier. Retail price is expensive @ $1.09/ft. due to the Spectra core.=====
I downloaded Blue Water catalog (from website), but there’s no Canyon Pro rope … Is it out of production?
I found “Titan 7mm” instead, very very interesting … Titan is made of Spectra and nylon, and here’s what they say about: ************************* Tensile Strength: 26 kN (5750 lbf) Weight per Meter: 36 g UIAA Certified (test G-1) (does someone know what is this test? any URL about it?) It does not lose significant strength with repetitive flexing like other lower cost “high performance” fibers. Spectra offers a huge increase in abrasion resistance over the core material used in similar cords **************************
I feel attracted by its low weight, the strength (IMHO much more than we need, don’t forget we rappel on double ropes) and the declared “huge increase in abrasion resistance” which IMHO is a main feature of good canyon ropes. I don’t understand how core can increase abration resistance (a work usually made by sheath) however.
“Titan” might be better then “Canyon Pro” … lighter and stronger!
Now the question is: how can a canyoneer from Italy buy Titan (or Canyon Pro)? In Europe are sold european ropes … If you know an online store selling Blue Water Titan or Canyon ropes please tell me.
Michele
When you post, please change the Subject appropriately, to make reading and searching easier. You can use the following abbreviations: TRIP = Trip Report; BETA = Canyon Beta; PARTNER = Partner and/or Rides; ETHICS = Ethics; TECH = Technical Questions and Tips; BIZ = E Group Business; SALE = Stuff for Sale. Please use a Tilde ~ after the abbreviation, so we know you are coding for us, such as:
Subject: BIZ~ New Abbreviation List – working?
Bombastic Bolt Debates are allowed to only a limited extent. Folks should go to the Canyoneer Group for a truly un-moderated forum. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyoneer
To change your delivery options, go to the Canyons Egroup page on yahoo: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/
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—– Original Message —– From: “Christopher Jain” cjain1000@yahoo.com>
> I emailed Bluewater asking for the specs for the Canyon Pro rope. Here is an excerpt from the email I got back:===8mm diameter5000 lbf tensile100% Spectra core100% Poyester sheathWeight per 200 ft.= 5.75 lbsThe Spectra core does not absorb water so the rope will remain light. This rope buoyancy is neutral. The sheath comprises 57% by weight and 56% by total yarn denier. Retail price is expensive @ $1.09/ft. due to the Spectra core.=====
I downloaded Blue Water catalog (from website), but there’s no Canyon Pro rope … Is it out of production?
I found “Titan 7mm” instead, very very interesting … Titan is made of Spectra and nylon, and here’s what they say about: ************************* Tensile Strength: 26 kN (5750 lbf) Weight per Meter: 36 g UIAA Certified (test G-1) (does someone know what is this test? any URL about it?) It does not lose significant strength with repetitive flexing like other lower cost “high performance” fibers. Spectra offers a huge increase in abrasion resistance over the core material used in similar cords **************************
I feel attracted by its low weight, the strength (IMHO much more than we need, don’t forget we rappel on double ropes) and the declared “huge increase in abrasion resistance” which IMHO is a main feature of good canyon ropes. I don’t understand how core can increase abration resistance (a work usually made by sheath) however.
“Titan” might be better then “Canyon Pro” … lighter and stronger!
Now the question is: how can a canyoneer from Italy buy Titan (or Canyon Pro)? In Europe are sold european ropes … If you know an online store selling Blue Water Titan or Canyon ropes please tell me.
Michele