That’s the translation I found (but I’m getting the impression that there’s something wrong with it. . .) of the type of knot you get when the rope is put through and around the figure 8 in the “normal” way and a ledge pushes the horizontal bend of the rope to the top – instant stop, very dangerous if this happens under a waterfall. This type of rope/8 use is a definite no-no in canyoning. If you do use it, make sure the horizontal bend is on the inside of the figure 8, not facing away from you (if you use a climbing belt it will always be facing a bit sideways).
Another way to prevent this knot from forming (apart from the “fast” way) is putting the rope normally, and in addition passing the braking end through the HMS biner in a loop. Very safe, but too much braking for my liking.
Some figure 8s have “wings” and stuff to prevent this knot. The squared 8s of Petzl are said to ameliorate things as well, but try it and the knot will form just as easy.
What’s the real American/English name of this *%!? knot anyway ????
Happy canyons,
Koen
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My experience only, no invitation to debate “correctness” implied In America, it’s called a “girth hitch” In UK and Europe, (when reference in English), it’s called a “lark’s foot” French: tête d’alouette Spanish: nudo de alondra … hank What’s the real American/English name of this *%!? knot anyway ???? Happy canyons, Koen
Poco Loco Adventures
For Joe: thanks for saving my soul, I was ready to throw my dictionary out the window, straight into the nearest canyon ! There are certainly some enourmous 8s on the market, but now and again you can come across tiny (even smaller than a normal one) models, with wings and all. If you’re interested in the brand(s), let me know.
For Julien: I’m not Spanish, but Belgian (Flemish actually). Like you said, shit happens and I find myself living in this godforsaken hell-hole: our village is surrounded by four 11 & 12th century churches to ward off evil spirits and witches, and on top of every old chimney there’s a weirdshaped stone to keep the same critters out of the house – I’m not kidding !!!
For everyone who isn’t scared off by this, it’s the very last house of the village, you can’t miss it.
Happy canyons,
Koen —– Original Message —– From: Joe Wrona iko_iko_all_day@yahoo.com> To: canyons@egroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [canyons] Larks foot ?!?
> Your use of the phrase “Lark’s foot” is quite > appropriate; you see it used in all the standard books > on rappel and rescue work that circulate in America.
You are also correct that the “ears” on those rather > large figure eights (like SMC’s Rescue Eight) are > designed to prevent a Lark’s foot from occurring. A > rescue eight, an unwieldy device for personal use, is > a good tool for a leader to have along in situations > where an injured party member may need to be hauled up > or down cliffs, but I have never seen anyone carrying > a rescue eight around on the Colorado Plateau. You are > also right about the Petzl eights. > — Poco Loco Adventures pocoloco@skynet.be> wrote:
That’s the translation I found (but I’m getting the
impression that there’s something wrong with it. .
.) of the type of knot you get when the rope is put
through and around the figure 8 in the “normal” way
and a ledge pushes the horizontal bend of the rope
to the top – instant stop, very dangerous if this
happens under a waterfall. This type of rope/8 use
is a definite no-no in canyoning. If you do use it,
make sure the horizontal bend is on the inside of
the figure 8, not facing away from you (if you use a
climbing belt it will always be facing a bit
sideways).
Another way to prevent this knot from forming (apart
from the “fast” way) is putting the rope normally,
and in addition passing the braking end through the
HMS biner in a loop. Very safe, but too much braking
for my liking.
Some figure 8s have “wings” and stuff to prevent
this knot. The squared 8s of Petzl are said to
ameliorate things as well, but try it and the knot
will form just as easy.
What’s the real American/English name of this *%!?
knot anyway ????
Happy canyons,
Koen
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Your use of the phrase “Lark’s foot” is quite appropriate; you see it used in all the standard books on rappel and rescue work that circulate in America.
You are also correct that the “ears” on those rather large figure eights (like SMC’s Rescue Eight) are designed to prevent a Lark’s foot from occurring. A rescue eight, an unwieldy device for personal use, is a good tool for a leader to have along in situations where an injured party member may need to be hauled up or down cliffs, but I have never seen anyone carrying a rescue eight around on the Colorado Plateau. You are also right about the Petzl eights. — Poco Loco Adventures pocoloco@skynet.be> wrote: > That’s the translation I found (but I’m getting the > impression that there’s something wrong with it. . > .) of the type of knot you get when the rope is put > through and around the figure 8 in the “normal” way > and a ledge pushes the horizontal bend of the rope > to the top – instant stop, very dangerous if this > happens under a waterfall. This type of rope/8 use > is a definite no-no in canyoning. If you do use it, > make sure the horizontal bend is on the inside of > the figure 8, not facing away from you (if you use a > climbing belt it will always be facing a bit > sideways). > Another way to prevent this knot from forming (apart > from the “fast” way) is putting the rope normally, > and in addition passing the braking end through the > HMS biner in a loop. Very safe, but too much braking > for my liking. > Some figure 8s have “wings” and stuff to prevent > this knot. The squared 8s of Petzl are said to > ameliorate things as well, but try it and the knot > will form just as easy.
What’s the real American/English name of this *%!? > knot anyway ????
Happy canyons,
Koen >
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I think the word you’re looking for is ‘clove hitch’
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