Fellow canyoneers! My name is Josh Nelson, been a lurker on this group for awhile now and am looking for any ideas/suggestions for some canyoneering opportunities in the Moab area. I am aware of all the classic areas, Roost, North Wash, Cedar Mesa, etc. but haven’t seen much regarding Moab. I hail from FLG, AZ, and have descended some classics such as Barney Spring, Voodoo, Bear and Sundance, Little LO Spring, Badger up in Marble Canyon etc. I will be in Moab 7-1 to 7-3, planning on climbing the LaSals on 7-2, and would like to try and fit in a canyon on either the 1st or 3rd. Any beta would be much appreciated!! Thanks!
Yahoo Canyons Group
Josh Nelson
Thanks for the info y’all!! I am enroute to Moab, and pleiades or dragonfly sound doable. Can anyone supply me with the beta (driving directions, req’d gear, number of raps etc.) for those two canyons? You can contact me off list if you like. Thanks again, and happy adventuring!!
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “utbiz” wrote:
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, Adam Anderson wrote:
I can’t say anything for Ouray. And Moab will be plenty hot right now
(plus unusually and relatively high humidity).
Pleiades is definitely an option. Short and pretty nice.
Haven’t done Dragonfly, but looks like one of the best canyons for Moab.
Also pretty short.
> Don’t go to Dragonfly expecting any water. I did it about 3 weeks ago and went through dry. There was only one pothole that had water and it was starting to get skanky. I went in hoping to get wet, but was glad to get through dry. >
utbiz
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, Adam Anderson wrote:
I can’t say anything for Ouray. And Moab will be plenty hot right now > (plus unusually and relatively high humidity).
Pleiades is definitely an option. Short and pretty nice.
Haven’t done Dragonfly, but looks like one of the best canyons for Moab. > Also pretty short. > Don’t go to Dragonfly expecting any water. I did it about 3 weeks ago and went through dry. There was only one pothole that had water and it was starting to get skanky. I went in hoping to get wet, but was glad to get through dry.
Adam Anderson
I can’t say anything for Ouray. And Moab will be plenty hot right now (plus unusually and relatively high humidity).
Pleiades is definitely an option. Short and pretty nice.
Haven’t done Dragonfly, but looks like one of the best canyons for Moab. Also pretty short.
Elephant Butte is a classic for Arches, but not a canyon. Easy access.
Rock of Ages has a couple nice raps and decent hiking/scrambling to the arch, but the canyon part itself isn’t overly interesting.
Haven’t done Granary either, but looks decent if you are prepared.
Professor Creek is pretty, but very little technical aspects (and only if you do the hot slog around to the top to do the rap). Hardly worth the trouble, and not worth it if you are coming a large distance.
I might suggest forgetting the canyoneering the second day and get out the mountain bike!
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Wayne Burns waynewburns@hotmail.com>wrote:
“Survey says: 100 points!” > Ouray canyons are definitely in season currently, a rare pleasure for > those who wish to see these places this early in the year. Here is a > synopsis of conditions on my recent trip: > Sat June 23: Portland Creek/Ivan’s Tail. My first descent so I can’t > compare water flow, but in the scale of Ouray canyons it was small. > Enjoyable, playful hiking to the bridge, where we were very happy to cool > off in the spray of the waterfall. A couple downclimbs shortly thereafter > were more substantial than expected but yielded to slightly sporting > partner assist. On the climb out, beware!!!!! When reaching the short > “5-easy” climbing move one has the choice of veering either left to a large > round boulder pinched between walls, or to the right with a series of > ledges showing more holds but loose appearing & dirty rock. The appearance > is accurate. The rock is very loose & there is a very large loose rock (~ > 2 feet square?) on the upper left side of the right-hand path at the lip of > the climb which is frighteningly loose. Don’t go this way, instead veer > left toward the round smooth boulder, please! > Sun June 24: Bear Creek/the Quartzite Corrider. A fantastic, fun, > interesting & pummeling day. Flow was quite a bit higher than my previous > descent mid-August 2010. I don’t judge cfs very well, but this was enough > that if I was on rappel on, for example, La Capella, the flow simply > knocked my feet off the slippery wall, leading to a hip slide & total > drenching & pummeling experience. Awesome! It was great fun but could be > anything from disconcerting & a bit disorienting to flat out dangerous for > folks who are not ready to get beaten around by the flow like that. > Happily, while both rappels #4 & #5 had 2 swimmers each (they are each > 2-stage rappels), there was no hydraulic effect in evidence. Lots & lots > of “wow!” and laughter though, great times. Downclimbs in the flow were > fun when possible, but the combination of slick plant growth on the rocks > and the heavy flow convinced us to climb around more things than I did when > the flow was lower in August 2010. Still, even more beautiful I would say, > and a very fun day. Dallin calls for 10-12 hours; we moved casually & took > 10.5 hours in a group of 2. > Tues June 26: Cascade Creek. A wonderful, varied & fun canyon. Also full > of many many serious downclimbs. Now that I have completed this canyon I > have greater respect for the committing nature of some of the downclimbs, > at least when they are combined with the frequently very slippery rock (I > did only the first half in August 2010, escaping due to flash flood). Be > ready with spare webbing & rapides in case you decide to rappel a couple of > drops beyond the 12 or so Mike Dallin describes. Water flow seemed very > mellow & manageable, but that is coming out of my previous day in Bear > Creek under high flow conditions, and I believe it is normal for Cascade to > have less flow than Bear. In any case, water flow did not seem to cause > any serious concerns for us in Cascade beyond the standard issues one sees, > including difficult communication. For example, we were completely unable > to hear whistles from top to bottom at the final drop, so I would have to > recommend walkie talkies based on that experience. Most importantly > though: 1) protect your ropes & 2) use ropes which are tough enough to > endure some abuse. In any future trip my instinct would be to suck it up & > carry a long 9-9.5 mm for that rappel. And also, be aware that there is a > very manageable though scrambly escape from between the penultimate rappel > (fun & pretty corkscrew rappel) & the final rappel should you have rope > damage. And did I mention the waterfalls are pretty & fun? Wow! The > “Charmin Tube” is great stuff. > Enjoy & be careful > Wayne
To: Yahoo Canyons Group
From: adkramoo@aol.com Subject: [from Canyons Group] Re: Looking for canyoneering in the Moab area
> “Will somebody please help that poor man!” Harriot in Blazing Saddles
“Answer is!!” Richard Dawson, Family Feud
OURAY! Its not much further and its IN SEASON!!
But if you insist….I would do Pleiades, which is flowing nicely right > now. At 9,000 feet it is Purrrrfect! If I had to be in Moab another day or > part of the day I was in Pleiades? I would go to the Mill Creek swimin hole > and NOT leave. other things like Dragonfly and Professor Creek are > manageable. Your plan to be up in the La Sal? Smart!
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Josh Nelson” wrote:
Fellow canyoneers! My name is Josh Nelson, been a lurker on this group > for awhile now and am looking for any ideas/suggestions for some > canyoneering opportunities in the Moab area. I am aware of all the classic > areas, Roost, North Wash, Cedar Mesa, etc. but haven’t seen much regarding > Moab. I hail from FLG, AZ, and have descended some classics such as Barney > Spring, Voodoo, Bear and Sundance, Little LO Spring, Badger up in Marble > Canyon etc. I will be in Moab 7-1 to 7-3, planning on climbing the LaSals > on 7-2, and would like to try and fit in a canyon on either the 1st or 3rd. > Any beta would be much appreciated!! Thanks!
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Wayne Burns
“Survey says: 100 points!” Ouray canyons are definitely in season currently, a rare pleasure for those who wish to see these places this early in the year. Here is a synopsis of conditions on my recent trip: Sat June 23: Portland Creek/Ivan’s Tail. My first descent so I can’t compare water flow, but in the scale of Ouray canyons it was small. Enjoyable, playful hiking to the bridge, where we were very happy to cool off in the spray of the waterfall. A couple downclimbs shortly thereafter were more substantial than expected but yielded to slightly sporting partner assist. On the climb out, beware!!!!! When reaching the short “5-easy” climbing move one has the choice of veering either left to a large round boulder pinched between walls, or to the right with a series of ledges showing more holds but loose appearing & dirty rock. The appearance is accurate. The rock is very loose & there is a very large loose rock (~ 2 feet square?) on the upper left side of the right-hand path at the lip of the climb which is frighteningly loose. Don’t go this way, instead veer left toward the round smooth boulder, please! Sun June 24: Bear Creek/the Quartzite Corrider. A fantastic, fun, interesting & pummeling day. Flow was quite a bit higher than my previous descent mid-August 2010. I don’t judge cfs very well, but this was enough that if I was on rappel on, for example, La Capella, the flow simply knocked my feet off the slippery wall, leading to a hip slide & total drenching & pummeling experience. Awesome! It was great fun but could be anything from disconcerting & a bit disorienting to flat out dangerous for folks who are not ready to get beaten around by the flow like that. Happily, while both rappels #4 & #5 had 2 swimmers each (they are each 2-stage rappels), there was no hydraulic effect in evidence. Lots & lots of “wow!” and laughter though, great times. Downclimbs in the flow were fun when possible, but the combination of slick plant growth on the rocks and the heavy flow convinced us to climb around more things than I did when the flow was lower in August 2010. Still, even more beautiful I would say, and a very fun day. Dallin calls for 10-12 hours; we moved casually & took 10.5 hours in a group of 2. Tues June 26: Cascade Creek. A wonderful, varied & fun canyon. Also full of many many serious downclimbs. Now that I have completed this canyon I have greater respect for the committing nature of some of the downclimbs, at least when they are combined with the frequently very slippery rock (I did only the first half in August 2010, escaping due to flash flood). Be ready with spare webbing & rapides in case you decide to rappel a couple of drops beyond the 12 or so Mike Dallin describes. Water flow seemed very mellow & manageable, but that is coming out of my previous day in Bear Creek under high flow conditions, and I believe it is normal for Cascade to have less flow than Bear. In any case, water flow did not seem to cause any serious concerns for us in Cascade beyond the standard issues one sees, including difficult communication. For example, we were completely unable to hear whistles from top to bottom at the final drop, so I would have to recommend walkie talkies based on that experience. Most importantly though: 1) protect your ropes & 2) use ropes which are tough enough to endure some abuse. In any future trip my instinct would be to suck it up & carry a long 9-9.5 mm for that rappel. And also, be aware that there is a very manageable though scrambly escape from between the penultimate rappel (fun & pretty corkscrew rappel) & the final rappel should you have rope damage. And did I mention the waterfalls are pretty & fun? Wow! The “Charmin Tube” is great stuff. Enjoy & be careful Wayne
To: Yahoo Canyons Group From: adkramoo@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 03:22:12 +0000 Subject: [from Canyons Group] Re: Looking for canyoneering in the Moab area
“Will somebody please help that poor man!” Harriot in Blazing Saddles
“Answer is!!” Richard Dawson, Family Feud
OURAY! Its not much further and its IN SEASON!!
But if you insist….I would do Pleiades, which is flowing nicely right now. At 9,000 feet it is Purrrrfect! If I had to be in Moab another day or part of the day I was in Pleiades? I would go to the Mill Creek swimin hole and NOT leave. other things like Dragonfly and Professor Creek are manageable. Your plan to be up in the La Sal? Smart!
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Josh Nelson” wrote:
>
> Fellow canyoneers! My name is Josh Nelson, been a lurker on this group for awhile now and am looking for any ideas/suggestions for some canyoneering opportunities in the Moab area. I am aware of all the classic areas, Roost, North Wash, Cedar Mesa, etc. but haven’t seen much regarding Moab. I hail from FLG, AZ, and have descended some classics such as Barney Spring, Voodoo, Bear and Sundance, Little LO Spring, Badger up in Marble Canyon etc. I will be in Moab 7-1 to 7-3, planning on climbing the LaSals on 7-2, and would like to try and fit in a canyon on either the 1st or 3rd. Any beta would be much appreciated!! Thanks!
>
RAM
“Will somebody please help that poor man!” Harriot in Blazing Saddles
“Answer is!!” Richard Dawson, Family Feud
OURAY! Its not much further and its IN SEASON!!
But if you insist….I would do Pleiades, which is flowing nicely right now. At 9,000 feet it is Purrrrfect! If I had to be in Moab another day or part of the day I was in Pleiades? I would go to the Mill Creek swimin hole and NOT leave. other things like Dragonfly and Professor Creek are manageable. Your plan to be up in the La Sal? Smart!
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Josh Nelson” wrote:
Fellow canyoneers! My name is Josh Nelson, been a lurker on this group for awhile now and am looking for any ideas/suggestions for some canyoneering opportunities in the Moab area. I am aware of all the classic areas, Roost, North Wash, Cedar Mesa, etc. but haven’t seen much regarding Moab. I hail from FLG, AZ, and have descended some classics such as Barney Spring, Voodoo, Bear and Sundance, Little LO Spring, Badger up in Marble Canyon etc. I will be in Moab 7-1 to 7-3, planning on climbing the LaSals on 7-2, and would like to try and fit in a canyon on either the 1st or 3rd. Any beta would be much appreciated!! Thanks! >