They stick great and I think they have good support, comfy to hike in all day. Take some urethane like freesole and apply a thin coat to the seams on the side of the shoe. Also run a bead of urethane around where the rubber part of the sole that comes up around the toe and heel meet the fabric of the upper.
The urethane will help protect the threads on the side of the shoe from abrasion and the seal around the toe and heel will help stop delam if you swim a lot. I wouldn’t bother waterproofing a shoe I was taking swimming. YMMV.
I picked up a pair of Catalyst today, very good deal. Do these stick as good as the Canyoneers? The guy at the store gave me a free bottle of some waterproofing stuff for them, should I use it? How well do they hold up going thru the canyons? Why do you like them over the Canyoneers, if you do?
Exum is an AWESOME hiking shoe. As far as canyoneering goes … my millage varied.
Neil
Buzz Burrell buzz@dimensional.com> wrote: Take a look at the La Sportiva Exum Ridge. Sticky rubber outsole, very lightweight but well-made, as to be expected from a venerable climbing shoe manufacturer. I was in the Grand Canyon this weekend with a friend who was on his third re-sole, with the uppers still in good shape, which is remarkable. La Sportiva will introduce a canyoneering shoe next year. http://sportiva.com/products/mountainrunning/index.html
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Take a look at the La Sportiva Exum Ridge. Sticky rubber outsole, very lightweight but well-made, as to be expected from a venerable climbing shoe manufacturer. I was in the Grand Canyon this weekend with a friend who was on his third re-sole, with the uppers still in good shape, which is remarkable. La Sportiva will introduce a canyoneering shoe next year. http://sportiva.com/products/mountainrunning/index.html
Love these shoes, the sticky/stealth rubber is a definate plus. First trip for them was through Alcatraz. Some of the top toe area stitching was worn through. Could be incorrect foot jamming technique, but I guess a size 13 makes it hard on the footwear. Especially in a narrow one like Alcatraz. Was thinking about getting a new pair for approach, maybe the Goretex version, as they do fit well, and feel good when wearing them.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “kurt” wrote: > Vasque Catalyst’s @ $70.00 here >
There are some of last years ‘Talus’ model floating around the Internet with the Stealth soles at good deals if you can find your size. DO NOT buy the Gore Tex version!
Hope that helps, > Neil
John Styrnol wrote: > Neal,
What are the Vasque’s called?
John
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I try to keep my feet out of the bottom wedge in the tight ones. I use heel/toe to stay off the bottom. My friends know why. 😉 I don’t care if the soles wear fast. I just care that the sticky rubber keeps me off the deck and out of the water (as much as possible). -s
— Ryan ryancornia@yahoo.com> wrote: > Yes, I am in and out of the water a lot, which is definitely hard on > them. I also have been doing very tight slots, which seems to wear > the > upper parts of the shoe out quickly. (From foot jamming, etc…) >
Yes, I am in and out of the water a lot, which is definitely hard on them. I also have been doing very tight slots, which seems to wear the upper parts of the shoe out quickly. (From foot jamming, etc…)
> Ryan, are you in the water alot? I’m hydrophobic and attempt to stay > dry (stem/bridge) as much as I can. I’ve noticed Mountain Masters > degrade faster if they’re wet all the time. I get 2 to 3 resoles out of > each pair of Mountain Masters.
There are some of last years ‘Talus’ model floating around the Internet with the Stealth soles at good deals if you can find your size. DO NOT buy the Gore Tex version!
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— Ryan ryancornia@yahoo.com> wrote: > I like the Five Ten Mountain Masters, but they do not hold up very > well. The tread seems to wear out about the same time the rest of the > shoe does. I was generally getting only 3-6 months out of a pair, but > that’s pretty heavy use. They are billed as an approach shoe, and I > find them a really good fit to climb in. They have the same sole as > the canyoneers.
Ryan, are you in the water alot? I’m hydrophobic and attempt to stay dry (stem/bridge) as much as I can. I’ve noticed Mountain Masters degrade faster if they’re wet all the time. I get 2 to 3 resoles out of each pair of Mountain Masters.
> What else is out there besides the 5.10 Canyoneers.
I like the Five Ten Mountain Masters, but they do not hold up very well. The tread seems to wear out about the same time the rest of the shoe does. I was generally getting only 3-6 months out of a pair, but that’s pretty heavy use. They are billed as an approach shoe, and I find them a really good fit to climb in. They have the same sole as the canyoneers.
I recently switched to some Merrells I got on sale. The Merrells have good enough traction, but are not built as an approach shoe, so they are hard to climb in. (The toe box has to much movement, and you can’t get a good feel of edges, etc… in them.)
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, neil wilkinson wrote: > I have been extremely happy with the Vasque hiking shoes with the Stealth soles. The Nike Riveros (sp?) look cool but I’ve never worn a pair.
Neil
John Styrnol wrote: > What else is out there besides the 5.10 Canyoneers.
neil wilkinson
John,
They stick great and I think they have good support, comfy to hike in all day. Take some urethane like freesole and apply a thin coat to the seams on the side of the shoe. Also run a bead of urethane around where the rubber part of the sole that comes up around the toe and heel meet the fabric of the upper.
The urethane will help protect the threads on the side of the shoe from abrasion and the seal around the toe and heel will help stop delam if you swim a lot. I wouldn’t bother waterproofing a shoe I was taking swimming. YMMV.
Neil
John Styrnol j.styrnol@att.net> wrote: Neil,
I picked up a pair of Catalyst today, very good deal. Do these stick as good as the Canyoneers? The guy at the store gave me a free bottle of some waterproofing stuff for them, should I use it? How well do they hold up going thru the canyons? Why do you like them over the Canyoneers, if you do?
John
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neil wilkinson
Exum is an AWESOME hiking shoe. As far as canyoneering goes … my millage varied.
Neil
Buzz Burrell buzz@dimensional.com> wrote: Take a look at the La Sportiva Exum Ridge. Sticky rubber outsole, very lightweight but well-made, as to be expected from a venerable climbing shoe manufacturer. I was in the Grand Canyon this weekend with a friend who was on his third re-sole, with the uppers still in good shape, which is remarkable. La Sportiva will introduce a canyoneering shoe next year. http://sportiva.com/products/mountainrunning/index.html
Buzz
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Take a look at the La Sportiva Exum Ridge. Sticky rubber outsole, very lightweight but well-made, as to be expected from a venerable climbing shoe manufacturer. I was in the Grand Canyon this weekend with a friend who was on his third re-sole, with the uppers still in good shape, which is remarkable. La Sportiva will introduce a canyoneering shoe next year. http://sportiva.com/products/mountainrunning/index.html
Buzz
dssh2004
Love these shoes, the sticky/stealth rubber is a definate plus. First trip for them was through Alcatraz. Some of the top toe area stitching was worn through. Could be incorrect foot jamming technique, but I guess a size 13 makes it hard on the footwear. Especially in a narrow one like Alcatraz. Was thinking about getting a new pair for approach, maybe the Goretex version, as they do fit well, and feel good when wearing them.
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “kurt” wrote: > Vasque Catalyst’s @ $70.00 here >
http://www.northernmountain.com/NMSMain.asp? Option=Detail&ID=MREDWINCatalyst > &Dept=FW&Cat=FW1&SubCat=’FW14′
kurt
Vasque Catalyst’s @ $70.00 here >> http://www.northernmountain.com/NMSMain.asp?Option=Detail&ID=MREDWINCatalyst &Dept=FW&Cat=FW1&SubCat=’FW14′
John Styrnol
Thanks, everyone for your input.
John
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “John Styrnol” wrote: > What else is out there besides the 5.10 Canyoneers.
John
John Styrnol
Thanks, Jim
John
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, James Schnepel wrote: > John,
Kirkham’s had a minimal selection of Talus shoes on sale in their close-out loft a few weeks ago…I’d call first to see if they have your size.
Jim
> neil wilkinson wrote: > Link to this years model http://www.vasque.com/products/m- catalyst.cfm
There are some of last years ‘Talus’ model floating around the Internet with the Stealth soles at good deals if you can find your size. DO NOT buy the Gore Tex version!
Hope that helps, > Neil
John Styrnol wrote: > Neal,
What are the Vasque’s called?
John
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— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “John Styrnol” wrote: > What else is out there besides the 5.10 Canyoneers.
John
Another place to look:
http://www.mtntools.com/cat/rclimb/rshoes/04climbingapproachshoes.html
Looks like they are user-friendly in terms of fitting – ‘tho I haven’t tried them yet…
Rick
steve mestdagh
I try to keep my feet out of the bottom wedge in the tight ones. I use heel/toe to stay off the bottom. My friends know why. 😉 I don’t care if the soles wear fast. I just care that the sticky rubber keeps me off the deck and out of the water (as much as possible). -s
— Ryan ryancornia@yahoo.com> wrote: > Yes, I am in and out of the water a lot, which is definitely hard on > them. I also have been doing very tight slots, which seems to wear > the > upper parts of the shoe out quickly. (From foot jamming, etc…) >
Ryan
Yes, I am in and out of the water a lot, which is definitely hard on them. I also have been doing very tight slots, which seems to wear the upper parts of the shoe out quickly. (From foot jamming, etc…)
> Ryan, are you in the water alot? I’m hydrophobic and attempt to stay > dry (stem/bridge) as much as I can. I’ve noticed Mountain Masters > degrade faster if they’re wet all the time. I get 2 to 3 resoles out of > each pair of Mountain Masters.
James Schnepel
John,
Kirkham’s had a minimal selection of Talus shoes on sale in their close-out loft a few weeks ago…I’d call first to see if they have your size.
Jim
neil wilkinson mtngoat59102@yahoo.com> wrote: Link to this years model http://www.vasque.com/products/m-catalyst.cfm
There are some of last years ‘Talus’ model floating around the Internet with the Stealth soles at good deals if you can find your size. DO NOT buy the Gore Tex version!
Hope that helps, Neil
John Styrnol j.styrnol@att.net> wrote: Neal,
What are the Vasque’s called?
John
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Link to this years model http://www.vasque.com/products/m-catalyst.cfm
There are some of last years ‘Talus’ model floating around the Internet with the Stealth soles at good deals if you can find your size. DO NOT buy the Gore Tex version!
Hope that helps, Neil
John Styrnol j.styrnol@att.net> wrote: Neal,
What are the Vasque’s called?
John
Small Business – Try our new resources site!
steve mestdagh
— Ryan ryancornia@yahoo.com> wrote: > I like the Five Ten Mountain Masters, but they do not hold up very > well. The tread seems to wear out about the same time the rest of the > shoe does. I was generally getting only 3-6 months out of a pair, but > that’s pretty heavy use. They are billed as an approach shoe, and I > find them a really good fit to climb in. They have the same sole as > the canyoneers.
Ryan, are you in the water alot? I’m hydrophobic and attempt to stay dry (stem/bridge) as much as I can. I’ve noticed Mountain Masters degrade faster if they’re wet all the time. I get 2 to 3 resoles out of each pair of Mountain Masters.
Ryan
> What else is out there besides the 5.10 Canyoneers.
I like the Five Ten Mountain Masters, but they do not hold up very well. The tread seems to wear out about the same time the rest of the shoe does. I was generally getting only 3-6 months out of a pair, but that’s pretty heavy use. They are billed as an approach shoe, and I find them a really good fit to climb in. They have the same sole as the canyoneers.
I recently switched to some Merrells I got on sale. The Merrells have good enough traction, but are not built as an approach shoe, so they are hard to climb in. (The toe box has to much movement, and you can’t get a good feel of edges, etc… in them.)
My 2 cents, Ryan
John Styrnol
Neal,
What are the Vasque’s called?
John
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, neil wilkinson wrote: > I have been extremely happy with the Vasque hiking shoes with the Stealth soles. The Nike Riveros (sp?) look cool but I’ve never worn a pair.
Neil
John Styrnol wrote: > What else is out there besides the 5.10 Canyoneers.
John
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neil wilkinson
I have been extremely happy with the Vasque hiking shoes with the Stealth soles. The Nike Riveros (sp?) look cool but I’ve never worn a pair.
Neil
John Styrnol j.styrnol@att.net> wrote: What else is out there besides the 5.10 Canyoneers.
John