I got a Petzl Parana for Christmas and finally had the time to play with it. Right off the bat I had a big problem with it. Most of the new Petzl descenters have a peice of plastic around the area the carabiner clips in. It was very difficult to clip and unclip most carabiners. Even most new Petzl carabiners. It seems like this would make it difficult or even impossible to remove the descender while underwater or struggling to stay afloat in a pool. Does anyone know what the idea was behind this or any reason why I shouldn’t use my dremel to cut a larger hole.
Thanks Chris.
Shane Burrows
>> Did a bit of a biner fit comparison with the Petzl Pirana and some “off” brands. Result below…. Kong…yada yada.. Faders:.. Lucky:… Simond:….. yada yada… 10 minutes later… Black Diamond: Same story as above. ……….. HB…… Bonati….. yada yada… and finally……. Marwa: Older and fits.
beadysee
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “canyonz” wrote: > Not to mention that you are encouraged to use a Petzl carabiner that, > magically, fits into the Piranha…
A couple other krabs work too. Who can recommend a brand?
From previous post #4916…(cut and paste of that post). Post is a couple years old now, so, model names might be changed…:
From page 8 of the Petzl English 2001 catalog: “A plastic attachment also ensures perfect support for any type of HMS locking carabiner”. Hmmm…well, not just “any”…
Did a bit of a biner fit comparison with the Petzl Pirana and some “off” brands. Result below.
No doubt the best biner for the Pirana is a Petzl Attache or “Bill” model. I’m curious about trying the Pirana on a smaller asymmetrical carabiner (“D” shaped) as I’m thinkin’ additional friction could be had for thinner cords especially in single strand mode.
Perhaps some folks have tried a few of these as well. Fill in the blanks!
Plenty o’ fish in the sea for that Pirana to bite on…
Kong:
HMS Express Block. Not tried but looks very similar to their large wiregate so should work. Very nice geometery for the Pirana. Would be my numero uno choice. Large Multiuse Locker. Ditto the above. Oval Seguro. Maybe. Ultratop Security. Small, should be ok. Guide. Maybe. Heavy Duty Roca. No, nose looks too big. HMS Twist Blocking. Should work. X-Large Key Lock. Maybe. X-Large Auto Block. Maybe.
Faders:
Plus and Plus Seguro. Small but I tried and they work. Asymmetrical placement of rope may yield more friction and might be nice for small diameter rope use. Petit Dru Seguro. No, nose looks too big. HMS. Might work, if so, nice geometry. HMS SPN. Maybe. 420 12. Might work and looks ok. Large. 440 S. Nose appears too large.
Lucky:
HMS. Nose appears too large but unknown. Nice geometry. HMS Mini. Ditto above. Austral Automatic and Screw. No, nose looks too big. Siurana Security. No, nose looks too big. Via Ferrata Auto, Auto Rapid, and Screw. No, nose looks too big. Meteor Lock. No, nose too big.
Simond:
Acier Ovoide A Vis. Steel, looks ok. Zicral 2800 A Vis. Small but might work. Most other Simond models appeared to be too large in the nose.
DMM:
BOA Kwiklock. Nose too big. Lynx 10mm any type. Smaller and does fit and work ok. 11mm model may be too large. Fat Boy. No, too large in the nose. Belay Master. No, too large in the nose. Steel. Yes it does fit. Very heavy.
Charlet Moser:
Giant. Unknown but nice lookin’.
Fixe:
Lotus Automatic or Screwgate. Maybe.
MSR:
I-Beam Locking. Yes, it fits. Smaller locker, same size as a standard “D” biner.
Wild Country:
Synergy or Titan. Unknown. Old Style (M10?). Yes. Smaller biner like a large standard “D”. Fits loose. Due to the large threads on the sleeve, one of my fav’s for desert stuff as it seems less prone to “sticking”.
Austrialpin:
Steel. Yes and with fair orientation. Very heavy but bomber.
Omega Pacific:
All models appear to have too large a nose. Tried several. Not even close. Includes new and older “beta biner” types as well.
Black Diamond: Same story as above.
HB (Clipper): Ditto the above.
Bonati: I’ve an old small locker that fits fine. Very small.
Marwa: Older and fits. 50’s vintage. Funky lookin’. Not leavin’ the museum, however…
TIWAGOS, YMMV…
Brian in SLC
neil wilkinson
What dusty said, What Tom said …
I have used the Parana a bunch in the last couple of years. If you don’t mind the weight, I have gone to using the Petzl steel biner w/my Parana. The Steel biner is tough as nails and for the extra $ it has lasted the time that would have worn 3 alum. biners to the replacement stage and it’s still going strong. The best part of the Parana is so many friction/lock-off options (mainly for single strand rap), You don’t have to remove the device from the biner/and it won’t fall off in the water(when used correctly), not to mention you can ‘load’ the device with less effort than say my ATC ‘XP’. Remember, because the Parana was designed to fit snuggly on the biner it does not work with all caribiners … the shape and dia. have to be correct for the device.
I second Tom’s advice about being careful as you discover what friction levels feel good 4 you.
Cheers, Neil
v_2crave v_2crave@hotmail.com> wrote: I got a Petzl Parana for Christmas and finally had the time to play with it. Right off the bat I had a big problem with it. Most of the new Petzl descenters have a piece of plastic around the area the carabiner clips in. It was very difficult to clip and unclip most carabiners. Even most new Petzl carabiners. It seems like this would make it difficult or even impossible to remove the descender while underwater or struggling to stay afloat in a pool. Does anyone know what the idea was behind this or any reason why I shouldn’t use my dremel to cut a larger hole.
Thanks Chris.
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Not to mention that you are encouraged to use a Petzl carabiner that, magically, fits into the Piranha…
A couple other krabs work too. Who can recommend a brand?
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Yeah, what he said.
It’s a feature. The Pirahna is only used in the “canyon mode” and is not used in the “figure 8 mode”. Plastic keeps it in place on the biner. Nothing to drop should you be so unfortunate to have miss-set the length of the rope into that pothole.
I kinda like the Pirahna, but it takes some getting used to, to figure out how much friction you are going to get with a variety of ropes, given the several different ways to run the rope. Exercise caution.
Tom
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Dusty Goldscheider” wrote: > hi Chris,
The Pirana iPetzligned or at least intended to have the rope clipped into > the carabiner. Thus making it possible and ideal to attach and un- attach > from the rope without ever removing your decsender from your carabiner > and/or your harness. This reduces the chance of losing precious gear in > water or dropping it on rock. > I think the idea of the plastic with the hole only big enough for a > carabiner is to help stabilize the descender while opening the carabiner > with one hand(maybe in water).
Dusty > Vancouver Island, B.C.
From: “v_2crave” Reply-To: Yahoo Canyons Group
>To: Yahoo Canyons Group
>Subject: [from Canyons Group] Petzl descenders and carabiners
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:44:06 -0000
I got a Petzl Parana for Christmas and finally had the time to play
with it. Right off the bat I had a big problem with it. Most of
the new Petzl descenters have a peice of plastic around the area the
carabiner clips in. It was very difficult to clip and unclip most
carabiners. Even most new Petzl carabiners. It seems like this
would make it difficult or even impossible to remove the descender
while underwater or struggling to stay afloat in a pool. Does
anyone know what the idea was behind this or any reason why I
shouldn’t use my dremel to cut a larger hole.
Thanks
Chris.
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Tom Jones
Yeah, what he said.
It’s a feature. The Pirahna is only used in the “canyon mode” and is not used in the “figure 8 mode”. Plastic keeps it in place on the biner. Nothing to drop should you be so unfortunate to have miss-set the length of the rope into that pothole.
I kinda like the Pirahna, but it takes some getting used to, to figure out how much friction you are going to get with a variety of ropes, given the several different ways to run the rope. Exercise caution.
Tom
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Dusty Goldscheider” wrote: > hi Chris,
The Pirana iPetzligned or at least intended to have the rope clipped into > the carabiner. Thus making it possible and ideal to attach and un- attach > from the rope without ever removing your decsender from your carabiner > and/or your harness. This reduces the chance of losing precious gear in > water or dropping it on rock. > I think the idea of the plastic with the hole only big enough for a > carabiner is to help stabilize the descender while opening the carabiner > with one hand(maybe in water).
Dusty > Vancouver Island, B.C.
From: “v_2crave” Reply-To: Yahoo Canyons Group
>To: Yahoo Canyons Group
>Subject: [from Canyons Group] Petzl descenders and carabiners
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:44:06 -0000
I got a Petzl Parana for Christmas and finally had the time to play
with it. Right off the bat I had a big problem with it. Most of
the new Petzl descenters have a peice of plastic around the area the
carabiner clips in. It was very difficult to clip and unclip most
carabiners. Even most new Petzl carabiners. It seems like this
would make it difficult or even impossible to remove the descender
while underwater or struggling to stay afloat in a pool. Does
anyone know what the idea was behind this or any reason why I
shouldn’t use my dremel to cut a larger hole.
Thanks
Chris.
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Dusty Goldscheider
hi Chris,
The Pirana iPetzligned or at least intended to have the rope clipped into the carabiner. Thus making it possible and ideal to attach and un-attach from the rope without ever removing your decsender from your carabiner and/or your harness. This reduces the chance of losing precious gear in water or dropping it on rock. I think the idea of the plastic with the hole only big enough for a carabiner is to help stabilize the descender while opening the carabiner with one hand(maybe in water).
Dusty Vancouver Island, B.C.
>From: “v_2crave” v_2crave@hotmail.com
Reply-To: Yahoo Canyons Group
To: Yahoo Canyons Group
Subject: [from Canyons Group] Petzl descenders and carabiners >Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:44:06 -0000
I got a Petzl Parana for Christmas and finally had the time to play >with it. Right off the bat I had a big problem with it. Most of >the new Petzl descenters have a peice of plastic around the area the >carabiner clips in. It was very difficult to clip and unclip most >carabiners. Even most new Petzl carabiners. It seems like this >would make it difficult or even impossible to remove the descender >while underwater or struggling to stay afloat in a pool. Does >anyone know what the idea was behind this or any reason why I >shouldn’t use my dremel to cut a larger hole.
Thanks >Chris. >
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