Here’s a clickable link for the Imlay Canyon Gear “PotShot”: http://tinyurl.com/59a5ma Three to five Potshots come in very handy. Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1”
I would like to wade in… > First off, we use Potshots for sandbag techniques: > http://canyoneeringusa.com/shop/product.php?
productid=16140&cat=258&page=1 > We use them as temporary anchors for getting in and out of potholes.
They are very helpful when you have a series of potholes in front of > you that have uncertain anchoring possibilities. Packtosses can work > in these pothole situations, but there are often reasons for not > tossing your pack. Most times your pack is too heavy to throw and you > are left with your pack in the upcoming pothole and a pile of > unloaded gear at your feet. Many times I carry things in my pack > which I would rather not be throwing around all day. > With Potshots, you can easily add or remove some sand, throw multiple > bags and dump your sand and move on when you are finished.
It should be made clear that we are not using sandbags for rappelling > significant drops, or drops that have very bad landings.
We use the Potshot anchors more often for a handline than for > actual “full-on” rappelling. > I break down the process into several steps and ALWAYS make sure that > we are out of the immediate problem pothole, have the ability to move > on from there and have adequate anchor materials to continue the > canyon.
Obtaining Sand: Not always easy. Sometime I will carry a filled bag > through several potholes. > Tossing Potshot for escaping downcanyon(with testing of anchor > integrity): Get up high to throw. Throw several. Half-filled bags > have more friction than full bags. > Setting the Potshot for rappelling or handline(with testing of > retrieval ability): Position the potshot for maximum friction, > including the friction of the rope over the lip. Piling surrounding > sand on top of the bag can cement it in position. > Sequencing folks down in and back out the other side: It’s important > to keep in mind that the first(and last) person out of a pothole may > need help. Boosting and such, comes to mind right away during pothole > escape, but it is often necessary to “capture” the last person in to > a pot while he/she is handlining down in. > Retrieving your anchors: Get up high and move down canyon to ease the > friction on the bag. Pre-testing the pull can insure that it is > retrievable but also shows where rope contact with the rock will > cause grooves.
> Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “adkramoo”
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Penny Martens”
> There have been several TRs for Headless Hen lately, and they all
> commented on what fun it would be in full water conditions. Here > are
> some photos from days gone by when this canyon was actually > watery.
> http://tinyurl.com/63d4jx
Penny
Another wet day in Headless years back
http://www.toddshikingguide.com/TripReports/NFNP_06/NFNP5b.htm
> This area is ideal for learning the sandbag game. It is really
remarkable how well they work. How little sand is needed. How close > to
a lip they can be placed safely. As you tinker and with back ups, > one
finds one using less and less sand than one would ever have > imagined.
Perhaps Tom will wade in with some ideas and thoughts. I do have
concerns about rope grooves. It was discussed before promoting this
canyon. Remember to experiment with how to set the bags well BEFORE
the last person goes off of them so they can be retrieved easily and
gain more experience on what works and what doesn’t. Two 1/4 filled
bags, with different ends of a rope tied to them is easier to > retrieve
than one half filled bag etc. Have fun, be careful and protect the
rock…..and enjopy
R
>
Tom Jones
For tosses, sometimes the Rope SILOS or Bagarinos work. But for an anchor, not really. Pot Shots work so much better.
Tom
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Bill” wrote:
What about using your rope bags?
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
Here’s a clickable link for the Imlay Canyon Gear “PotShot”:
http://tinyurl.com/59a5ma
> Three to five Potshots come in very handy.
Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
I would like to wade in…
> First off, we use Potshots for sandbag techniques:
> http://canyoneeringusa.com/shop/product.php?
productid=16140&cat=258&page=1
> We use them as temporary anchors for getting in and out of potholes.
They are very helpful when you have a series of potholes in front
of
> you that have uncertain anchoring possibilities. Packtosses can
work
> in these pothole situations, but there are often reasons for not
> tossing your pack. Most times your pack is too heavy to throw and
you
> are left with your pack in the upcoming pothole and a pile of
> unloaded gear at your feet. Many times I carry things in my pack
> which I would rather not be throwing around all day.
> With Potshots, you can easily add or remove some sand, throw
multiple
> bags and dump your sand and move on when you are finished.
It should be made clear that we are not using sandbags for
rappelling
> significant drops, or drops that have very bad landings.
We use the Potshot anchors more often for a handline than for
> actual “full-on” rappelling.
> I break down the process into several steps and ALWAYS make sure
that
> we are out of the immediate problem pothole, have the ability to
move
> on from there and have adequate anchor materials to continue the
> canyon.
Obtaining Sand: Not always easy. Sometime I will carry a filled bag
> through several potholes.
> Tossing Potshot for escaping downcanyon(with testing of anchor
> integrity): Get up high to throw. Throw several. Half-filled bags
> have more friction than full bags.
> Setting the Potshot for rappelling or handline(with testing of
> retrieval ability): Position the potshot for maximum friction,
> including the friction of the rope over the lip. Piling surrounding
> sand on top of the bag can cement it in position.
> Sequencing folks down in and back out the other side: It’s
important
> to keep in mind that the first(and last) person out of a pothole
may
> need help. Boosting and such, comes to mind right away during
pothole
> escape, but it is often necessary to “capture” the last person in
to
> a pot while he/she is handlining down in.
> Retrieving your anchors: Get up high and move down canyon to ease
the
> friction on the bag. Pre-testing the pull can insure that it is
> retrievable but also shows where rope contact with the rock will
> cause grooves.
> Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “adkramoo” wrote:
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Penny Martens”
> wrote:
> There have been several TRs for Headless Hen lately, and they
all
> commented on what fun it would be in full water conditions.
Here
> are
> some photos from days gone by when this canyon was actually
> watery.
> http://tinyurl.com/63d4jx
Penny
Another wet day in Headless years back
http://www.toddshikingguide.com/TripReports/NFNP_06/NFNP5b.htm
> This area is ideal for learning the sandbag game. It is really
remarkable how well they work. How little sand is needed. How
close
> to
a lip they can be placed safely. As you tinker and with back ups,
> one
finds one using less and less sand than one would ever have
> imagined.
Perhaps Tom will wade in with some ideas and thoughts. I do have
concerns about rope grooves. It was discussed before promoting
this
canyon. Remember to experiment with how to set the bags well
BEFORE
the last person goes off of them so they can be retrieved easily
and
gain more experience on what works and what doesn’t. Two 1/4
filled
bags, with different ends of a rope tied to them is easier to
> retrieve
than one half filled bag etc. Have fun, be careful and protect the
rock…..and enjopy
R
Bill
What about using your rope bags?
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
Here’s a clickable link for the Imlay Canyon Gear “PotShot”: > http://tinyurl.com/59a5ma
Three to five Potshots come in very handy. > Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “davewyo1” wrote:
I would like to wade in…
First off, we use Potshots for sandbag techniques:
http://canyoneeringusa.com/shop/product.php?
> productid=16140&cat=258&page=1
We use them as temporary anchors for getting in and out of potholes.
They are very helpful when you have a series of potholes in front > of
you that have uncertain anchoring possibilities. Packtosses can > work
in these pothole situations, but there are often reasons for not
tossing your pack. Most times your pack is too heavy to throw and > you
are left with your pack in the upcoming pothole and a pile of
unloaded gear at your feet. Many times I carry things in my pack
which I would rather not be throwing around all day.
With Potshots, you can easily add or remove some sand, throw > multiple
bags and dump your sand and move on when you are finished.
It should be made clear that we are not using sandbags for > rappelling
significant drops, or drops that have very bad landings.
We use the Potshot anchors more often for a handline than for
actual “full-on” rappelling.
I break down the process into several steps and ALWAYS make sure > that
we are out of the immediate problem pothole, have the ability to > move
on from there and have adequate anchor materials to continue the
canyon.
Obtaining Sand: Not always easy. Sometime I will carry a filled bag
through several potholes.
Tossing Potshot for escaping downcanyon(with testing of anchor
integrity): Get up high to throw. Throw several. Half-filled bags
have more friction than full bags.
Setting the Potshot for rappelling or handline(with testing of
retrieval ability): Position the potshot for maximum friction,
including the friction of the rope over the lip. Piling surrounding
sand on top of the bag can cement it in position.
Sequencing folks down in and back out the other side: It’s > important
to keep in mind that the first(and last) person out of a pothole > may
need help. Boosting and such, comes to mind right away during > pothole
escape, but it is often necessary to “capture” the last person in > to
a pot while he/she is handlining down in.
Retrieving your anchors: Get up high and move down canyon to ease > the
friction on the bag. Pre-testing the pull can insure that it is
retrievable but also shows where rope contact with the rock will
cause grooves.
Dave
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “adkramoo” wrote:
— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “Penny Martens”
wrote:
There have been several TRs for Headless Hen lately, and they > all
commented on what fun it would be in full water conditions. > Here
are
some photos from days gone by when this canyon was actually
watery.
http://tinyurl.com/63d4jx
> Penny
Another wet day in Headless years back
> http://www.toddshikingguide.com/TripReports/NFNP_06/NFNP5b.htm
This area is ideal for learning the sandbag game. It is really
> remarkable how well they work. How little sand is needed. How > close
to
> a lip they can be placed safely. As you tinker and with back ups,
one
> finds one using less and less sand than one would ever have
imagined.
> Perhaps Tom will wade in with some ideas and thoughts. I do have
> concerns about rope grooves. It was discussed before promoting > this
> canyon. Remember to experiment with how to set the bags well > BEFORE
> the last person goes off of them so they can be retrieved easily > and
> gain more experience on what works and what doesn’t. Two 1/4 > filled
> bags, with different ends of a rope tied to them is easier to
retrieve
> than one half filled bag etc. Have fun, be careful and protect the
> rock…..and enjopy
> R