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No doubt in my mind a bunch of holes in the rock and hundreds of feet of webbing from the pinch or chokestone upcanyon are much nicer than a bolt –IE Neon and 2nd to last drop in Birch as of yesterday.
Tom if bolts are ok if they are in a guidebook some one needs to step up to the plate and fix the 2nd to last drop in Birch. Cement that bolt back in the wall or re drill.
PS there is a trapped snake in Burch. It is located just below the 2 10 foot downclimbs. The skunk rescue team is needed ASAP. best friends is always happy to accept new animals with a small donation.
Tom Jones
My apologies. I did not make it to Quandary this week, and the aforementioned atrocity remains in place, as far as I know. Village?
Tom
Hank Moon
And/or perhaps an animal rescue skills clinic is in order? Rich, you down?
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PS there is a trapped snake in Burch. It is located just below the 2 10 foot downclimbs. The skunk rescue team is needed ASAP. best friends is always happy to accept new animals with a small donation.
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skifast2112 wrote:
No doubt in my mind a bunch of holes in the rock and hundreds of feet of webbing from the pinch or chokestone upcanyon are much nicer than a bolt –IE Neon and 2nd to last drop in Birch as of yesterday.
So True. Was I was in Neon 2 years ago I was amazed at the *mass* of webbing at that rappel. Ugly. 30 pieces of dubious webbing do nothing for your anchor system safety and make it hard to evaluate. Replace with one nice new piece and haul out the old!
Tom if bolts are ok if they are in a guidebook some one needs to step up to the plate and fix the 2nd to last drop in Birch. Cement that bolt back in the wall or re drill.
If I was there I would be glad to replace it.
I was using the guidebook as a general example. What I am concerned with is needless bolt proliferation – the generation of “bolt gardens” A guidebook documents the condition of a canyon at a fixed point in time, so using it as a reference seems logical. I don’t think it is responsible for a canyoneer to pop in a bolt anytime they come to a problem solveable by other means. I guess I just love the problem solving aspect – and when I use a ‘natural’ anchor I don’t create a lasting impact on the canyon.
One other egroup member remarked to me that it is a matter of experience, and that to avoid bolts it would be good to take more inexperienceed canyoneers into canyons and teach them more advanced methods. I agree with this to some extent – and try to spread knowledge where I can – the ACA and Tom J’s canyon fests are great places to gain experience.
I am not “anti-bolt”. I just try to minimize their use when there is an alternative. In an emergency, when no natural anchor exists, to minimize damage to the rock (rock grooving) those are all good reasons to use fixed anchors.
**note: to reduce confusion please include the full name or username when referring to someone in a post. I would hate for some other “tom” have their reputation damaged because of my views!**
-tucson tom- aka ‘dubya’, t^2,….