I got 2 new 10.2mm dry ropes from Santa and I was out trying them out on a small cliff nearby…anyway…I noticed they are a lot more slippery than the ones I rented in Zion last summer. Much harder to control the decent. Is there something I’m supposed to do to them before using them? Washing…something?
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I found the Petzl catalog helpful. I think it is also on line. Throughout and in the back of the book are helpful drawings of how to use the Pirana and other equipment. Still, having someone show you who knows is better. Practice with a new device first on little stuff like a tree limb or in a climbing gym. Of course have spotters and belays. Bad to practice on Rap #1 in Englestead. (no personal experience here but I have always been nervous with folks who show up to do canyons with new equipment they have never tried. How do I know this you might ask? Easy, they tell you and show you the shiny new device.They then fumble around with it then break out into a sweat on the edge of the first rap. They then say things like “well we’ll see what this thing does” —comforting) Scott Card
neil wilkinson mtngoat59102@yahoo.com> wrote: The Petzl Pirana is a great device. I don’t think it is ideal if two strands of 10.2mm dynamic rope is your normal method of use. If this is a conversation you would like to take further let me know and maybe we can take this side-band.
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There are many ways to ‘load’ a Pirana descending device but I am surprised about how little information there is about proper use out there. It seems only those who have used the device regularly and have been taught all the various use methods really understand all the options. Let me know, maybe I can snap you some digi pictures and help out w/ideas. If your not doing lots of wet canyons consider the Omega Pacific SBG 2. This is a great device for under $18.
Neil
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David tucker762@yahoo.com> wrote: — In Yahoo Canyons Group, neil wilkinson wrote:
What type of device are you using to descend and how much do you weigh, if I might ask? Do you typically rap using two strands of rope in your device or only one? >
I use a Petzl Pirana and weigh around 220#. I have only rappelled using two strands. I don’t have alot of esperience with this having only done Keyhole and Pine Creek plus another canyon in a class with Zion Adventure Co.
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The Petzl Pirana is a great device. I don’t think it is ideal if two strands of 10.2mm dynamic rope is your normal method of use. If this is a conversation you would like to take further let me know and maybe we can take this side-band.
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There are many ways to ‘load’ a Pirana descending device but I am surprised about how little information there is about proper use out there. It seems only those who have used the device regularly and have been taught all the various use methods really understand all the options. Let me know, maybe I can snap you some digi pictures and help out w/ideas. If your not doing lots of wet canyons consider the Omega Pacific SBG 2. This is a great device for under $18.
Neil
PS – Gee, no questions are dumb
David tucker762@yahoo.com> wrote: — In Yahoo Canyons Group, neil wilkinson wrote:
What type of device are you using to descend and how much do you weigh, if I might ask? Do you typically rap using two strands of rope in your device or only one? >
I use a Petzl Pirana and weigh around 220#. I have only rappelled using two strands. I don’t have alot of esperience with this having only done Keyhole and Pine Creek plus another canyon in a class with Zion Adventure Co.
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— In Yahoo Canyons Group, neil wilkinson wrote:
What type of device are you using to descend and how much do you weigh, if I might ask? Do you typically rap using two strands of rope in your device or only one? >
I use a Petzl Pirana and weigh around 220#. I have only rappelled using two strands. I don’t have alot of esperience with this having only done Keyhole and Pine Creek plus another canyon in a class with Zion Adventure Co.
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What type of device are you using to descend and how much do you weigh, if I might ask? Do you typically rap using two strands of rope in your device or only one?
David tucker762@yahoo.com> wrote: Their dynamic ropes
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Their dynamic ropes
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What Koen said …. curious, are your ropes static or dynamic?
Koen pocoloco@skynet.be> wrote: — In Yahoo Canyons Group, “David” wrote:
I got 2 new 10.2mm dry ropes from Santa and I was out trying them out > on a small cliff nearby…anyway…I noticed they are a lot more > slippery
That’s normal. The rope fibers are “lubricated” for processing and weaving. Dunking the rope overnight in a bathtub helps. Leaving the tap running helps more. It washes/rinses the film off and leaves the rope less slippery. Or just use it, the film wears off fast.
Most static rope should be soaked & dried anyway before first use to let the rope “crimp” to prevent sheat slippage.
Happy and safe descents in 2006,
Koen
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— In Yahoo Canyons Group, “David” wrote:
I got 2 new 10.2mm dry ropes from Santa and I was out trying them out > on a small cliff nearby…anyway…I noticed they are a lot more > slippery than the ones I rented in Zion last summer. Much harder to > control the decent. Is there something I’m supposed to do to them > before using them? Washing…something? >
That’s normal. The rope fibers are “lubricated” for processing and weaving. Dunking the rope overnight in a bathtub helps. Leaving the tap running helps more. It washes/rinses the film off and leaves the rope less slippery. Or just use it, the film wears off fast.
Most static rope should be soaked & dried anyway before first use to let the rope “crimp” to prevent sheat slippage.
Happy and safe descents in 2006,
Koen